Finally! Why the leavers voted leave and why no ones talking about it!

[Chris1234567890]

This is at least a week overdue, but at least Janet Daly at The Telegraph has grasped the nettle......

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/if-we-dont-talk-about-immigration-now-there-will-be-hell-to-pay/

[smallfox1980]

But shoudln't the extra tax revenue generated from the immigrants be spent on hospitals and schools?

Also repeating this is rather banal. The healthy migrant factor means that EU immigrants are less likely to use health services, actually they cause a 19% fall in A and E waiting times and similarly for elective treatment.

Even in maternity services, 75% of the babies born are born to British mothers, 11% are born to parents where one is British, so then only 14% are born to totally immigrant parents, about right with the size of the population they make up.

With education 87% of primary school children get their first choice school.

In the end we have to use statistics because peoples own view can be clouded by prejudice, even unconsciously.

This argument is tired, and it doesn't work. The EU pays for infrastructure, and lots of essential projects not just "vanity" ones, but yet again you get to paint it as frivilous and wasteful AND not caring about immigration(which is a red herring) all at the same time. .

[MangoMoon]

smallfox, are you Angela Merkel?!

[MissMargie]

I don't see how we can afford the health service without some changes - people have such long term problems, the elderly no matter how fit have to eventually need care/ operations.
And as there is no limit we have 90 year olds having bypasses and hip ops. Then there are care homes for the elderly where some live happily for 20 years.
How can anyone think this can be provided for by taxation.

[mathanxiety]

'The EU' doesn't march in and decide where funds are spent.

That is up to Parliament, and the local MP in an area that experiences frequent long outages obviously stands no chance of being re-elected.

It is up to the local MP to fight for infrastructure improvements.

[smallfox1980]

You know EU funds have to be applied for yeah? If your MP wanted infrastructure they'd fund that too.

I'm fairly sure the Garden Bridge doesn't have EU funding.

[Bumbledumb]

the population of whole island (not just the 10 in this village) have been campaigning for new electrics - because they have long power cuts c. 3/4 times a week.

How and why has EU has been preventing the UK or Scottish governments from modernising the services on this island? Does the government have plans to rectify this situation now that we have voted to leave the EU?

[mathanxiety]

They haven't been trying hard enough.

This is not 'nitpicking at details'. It is up to local pols via Parliament where money is spent.

Did you know that EU regional fund money is available for green energy projects?

[smallfox1980]

and As I said math, you can apply for it.

[mathanxiety]

You can apply for it if you care about your constituents and if you're not bone idle.

[smallfox1980]

But that's it, it was applied for, with planned outcomes for it.

You can get it for a lot of things you know.

Sunderland has new roads built, bridge improvements etc, it just depends what your elected officials apply for and do with it. The EU doesn't stroll in a say; " Here shall be a garden of no use to anyone, by order of the EU."

[smallfox1980]

It won't pay your mortgage, but it will fund you if you lay out your application correctly, especially in deprived areas.

It also depends what fund you apply to. It doesn't just exist to make up for lack of state spending, the garden is most likely part of the environmental remit or some other such part.

Like I said Sunderland got lots out of it, lots of EU signs on buildings, roads and bridges.

[smallfox1980]

You brought up the garden, and as repeatedly told to you, the EU doesn't "throw" funding, you apply for it in most cases. Someone made an application for it and got it.

On the other question, well it depends what happens with energy doesn't it.

If we don't find a replacement for oil then...

[smallfox1980]

I agree.

Its all dependent on oil though.

[smallfox1980]

Really?

You know I'm really not unreasonable.

Just a geek :), I like answers, I like analysis.

We can survive the population increase and the loss of oil

The expert suggestion is that we will have enough land to farm for each human, but will need a striclty vegan diet, and need to be strict on how we use resources. One even suggests the compulsory composting of post mortem humans. As they would be very good for the veg.

Oh god before my geeky economics comes out anymore I'm going to bed.

I may have to give up MN, its become my crutch when off the fags!