Finally! Why the leavers voted leave and why no ones talking about it!

[Chris1234567890]

This is at least a week overdue, but at least Janet Daly at The Telegraph has grasped the nettle......

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/if-we-dont-talk-about-immigration-now-there-will-be-hell-to-pay/

So I am happy to accept EU funding is excellent in some places and negligent in others

This is because some MPs are crap.

In terms of the bad effects of migration. Consider my friend who runs a hotel., It is staffed entirely by Poles and East Europeans. Why? because they had the gumption to hop onto a bus travel across Europe and look for work. And (in his opinion) they are more hard working than the indigenous school leavers. There may be some truth in that insofar as a lazy person is less likely to get onto a bus to look for work.

Now consider what that does to Poland. All communities have a range of hard working types as well as lazy ones. Unfortunately the hard working ones with some get up have gone leaving the less energetic population back home. It's not just the top end brain drain that damages it is the loss of the dynamic hard working part of the community. .

not usually enamoured of what Russell Brand says but:

That's not how it works though. It's not a zero sum game.

People used to leave Ireland in droves, and still do periodically. Those left behind worked (and work) hard.

Beaourocrats, eh?

The more I see and hear Russell Brand, the more I am reminded of yer man from the Tooting Popular Front.

Is the reason so many Eastern Europeans come here because we pay the equivalent of, say 3x, the pay they would get in EE?

There must be a reason they upsticks and move here.

Likewise the fruit pickers, they, I presume, earn a heck of a lot more here than there.

So the answer could be to pay the British the equivalent, ie times their pay by 3. Also tweak the benefit system so that they can work for a couple of weeks to collect the fruit etc without having their benefits stopped.

Oh! no one wants to pay anyone the equivalent amount of money - well perhaps that why the Brits are 'too lazy' to do these jobs.

There is a brain drain of Brits to the USA, those with desirable skills and qualifications - computing/ engineers/ academics. They move because they are offered a better job/ more opportunity /more money than they get here. Nothing new there.

Someone mentioned Green Energy funding - yippeee, maybe we won't be cluttered with any more giant wind farms in this area. We are awash with them.

Coal is so much nicer.

(Whether to have wind farms and where to put them is domestic policy.)

Just popping a couple of points in and really no wishing to resurrect the bloody 'garden' debate, but on funding in general. We have a really poor system for funding as it is. For example, central government will tell you "we've allocate/spent £xxxx on bridlepaths". The money allocated to 'bridlepaths' is then given to a local council budget. The local council then sidetracks that funding to mends its roads. No money spent on bridlepaths, yet central government still tell the truth.

I really dont know how EU funding is applied for, in the sense that, is there a certain amount already allocated to say 'green projects' or 'youth project' and its then the lower level of governance who decides 'who or what' can apply? I agree too with smallfox, the EU arent sitting there saying such and such need a garden. But IF the structures are the same as our current central/local government, has anyone actually got a clue about what money is or isnt available and what has or hasnt been spent in any area claimed?

Second point, agree, how do we support 180m on this island? Id have to throw the fracking debate out there. Not saying or debating the rights or wrongs of fracking, but as its revolutionised the energy industry in the US, sure with an uncontrolled population fracking would/may be the only option out there. Personally, with some level of population control now coming with the leave vote, perhaps one of the positives of that is, that the fracking issue can still be debated as an 'alternative' idea, rather than a 'we have no other choice' idea.

Just my 2 thoughts on the recents posts..........