Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

The trade deficit changing depends on if the stuff we buy from the EU are necessities or not. To be honest as we import far many more consumer and capital goods from the EU than they do from us, and our main export is services, then I don't forsee this getting any better.

To put it bluntly, they sell us the stuff that our consumers want to buy, that there are fewer close substitutes for, we sell them luxury and high grade technical prodcuts which are the same. BUT our main export is services which can be replicated despite of location.

UK trade is worth 3% of EU GDP, EU trade to the UK is worth 15% of GDP.

surfer

What worries have you got about the process?

Do you still hold to the view that you have no idea what's going to happen next, but you "trust our leaders?"

I am an inherently optimistic person - I can't help it. At my core, I am hopeful that all this political turmoil will lead to positive change - maybe a fairer system of voting, maybe more effective coalitions, maybe more political engagement and less apathy from voters. I really hope there will be some bright consequences of this upheaval. I am also strongly optimistic that we won't leave the EU and I can't shake my little light of conviction that this insane catastrophe will not come to pass.

My optimism is tempered by logic and rationality though, I don't allow it to make me make ridiculous mad stupid decisions without thinking through the consequences such as voting out of the EU because I imagine that in some magical unexplained way this will create a glorious future. Unicorns and fairy dust, indeed.

Firstly and most importantly - vote leave was a massive boost for upholding the principle of democracy that so many people fought and died for in WWII. We Shall Not Forget.

Thats kinda low, patriotism is the reserve of scoundrels or something. We have a general election with main parties who are out of step with the population nothing to do with EU. Also in UK people aren't prepareed to pax Tax for the services they wish to protect.

Scotland - or N Sturgeon - is being taught (along with some others) that a democratic referendum result stands even when you don't like the outcome - that's democracy.

Democracy is being able to challenge, people getting authoritarianism mixed up with democracy. Your not the only one, same for many leavers.

A second woman PM? (even if it's only for a few months?)
Nothing to do with EU

JCorbyn is showing what a politician who keeps his word is like to a whole nation (& Parliament) that had forgotten.
Right wing coup on the way to get rid of him by hook or by crook.

The old Blairite light blue section of the 'New' Labour Party is being cleared out.

Quite the opposite

Austerity as a divisive policy which made the rich richer (in spite of the banking industry causing global recession) and the poor poorer will come to an end in the UK

supported by all main parties - nothing to do with the EU, many of us remainers have made this point over and over and over....Tories in charge are pro cuts

The FTSE250 has recovered to pre 23/6 levels

The banking sector is its own beast sadly, I guess its settling to the fugue state we in where article 50 not enacted.

Sterling has dropped - but that's a boost for co.s that export
As other have mentioned components and raw materials go up so is not all rosy.

Some co.s may move service jobs to EU, but some manu will expand (see point above). Manufacturing is far more beneficial to an economy than services because it is 'real' sustainable trade rather than the mirage of 'paper only' finance trade.

We missed the boat on that decades ago, UK has the biggest financial sector in the world, (i fucking hate the banks) but its a fact. There is big chance that this sector will lose out to Europe. Essentially doing a Zimbabwe.

Already, countries like NZ, Aus, US, India, China are making sounds about strengthening and extending trade deals.

A lot of their exports are in direct competition with what we produce - cheaper lamb, wool etc from NZ how is that going to help UK?

Hinkley Point C may be reviewed- surely it was madness to build another nuclear plant when renewables can replace (& create 1000s more jobs).

No it cant sadly as this is connected to us not complaining about dumping steel, and if we want a free trade definitely no way it would be renegotiated.

Tories and right wingers are anti environment, thats why the UK sector struggle, often doing more trade outside than in. This wont change with all the right wing parties on the move at the moment. People are cheering that we can get out of EU green targets which will also damage this sector.

surfer you're doing nothing to dispel the thought most Remainers have which is that many Leavers voted for unicorns and fairy dust- it's a joke

No the sad and tragic joke is, that after decades and decades of Union the EU is a bloated mess.

Its a bloated mess that has no crack team in place to deal with any of its myriad of deep problems. Why?

Its tragic that generations of the young across the continent have been cast onto a scrap heap of lost dreams due to this failing, stalling "project". Its tragic that the powers that be, have allowed porous boarders, chaos, allowing terrorists to freely move between nations and back to Syria.
Its tragic they never listened to cries about the dangers and movement of automatic weapons.
Its tragic, they ignore the cries of their own people struggling under the weight of migration.
They cannot agree on anything, and getting agreement on simple things takes torturous months to get there.

I could go on and on and on.

maybe a fairer system of voting, maybe more effective coalitions, maybe more political engagement and less apathy from voters

I hope so too. I wish we could have a system that works for everyone and works on concensus rather than the needs of a few.

I watched Cameron at PMQs this week and I still don't think he gets why a lot of people voted Leave - because they are very unhappy with their lot.

Has he been asked why he thinks people voted Leave?

Imo the remaindoomers are naturally pessimistic 'glass half empty' types

It seems to me however some remainers have never listened to any of this - they stick their fingers in their ears and say " sorry, what was that about wonky bananas"?

BertrandRussell - I don't want to keep arguing with you, it wears me out a bit. I have absolutely no hard feelings to anyone over how they voted ( I know I've said a few stupid things but emotions get the better of me sometimes ) but I'd never call another poster stupid, or ignorant ( I have lumped groups of people together I admit ) but I never get personal.

We have voted to leave the EU, that is a fact. All we can do now is trust our politicians & leaders & look forward not back.

Again, I'm an optimist which is why I believe Article 50 will never be invoked,

Oh, but not so optimistic that I think it's a good idea to 'trust our leaders' when one of them is Michael fucking Gove (to give him his official title).

All we can do now is trust our politicians & leaders & look forward not back

Ironically a lot of people probably wanted to leave because they don't trust our politicians and leaders.

And why didn't you 'trust our politicians and leaders' when the majority of them said that they DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.

Surfer, I think some posters are just in shock, they only ever heard about "wonky bananas", and are a little surprised that there is a long list as to why people were dissatisfied with the EU.

What leaders? You haven't actually GOT any, have you?

If you're still delighted with whats going on I can only conclude that you are rip-roaring drunk and have been for a week, or secretly hate the UK and are so happy that everything hsa been so royally ballsed up.

Michael Gove was crap in education but is very good everywhere else ( apparently ? ) but his disloyalty to Boris has done him no favours.
Theresa May will be PM.

We need to watch our leaders like hawks and hold them accountable every step of the way
Never miss a trick and question everything

and are a little surprised that there is a long list as to why people were dissatisfied with the EU

You don't think that's not just a little bit patronising, do you?

"Surfer, I think some posters are just in shock, they only ever heard about "wonky bananas", and are a little surprised that there is a long list as to why people were dissatisfied with the EU"

Yes there is a long list. Some of the points are valid. Some are myths and some are sod all to do with the EU.

He wasn't just crap in education. He was dangerous, destructive and vindictive. I hope that you are right that May beats him, though she's hardly ideal.

Or we could oppose leaving the EU further, surfer, which I intend to do.

Especially as the leave camp have no plan, no idea.

To the points:

"vote leave was a massive boost for upholding the principle of democracy that so many people fought and died for in WWII. We Shall Not Forget. "

Not just is that factually incorrect, but it is an appeal to history so it immediately makes it flawed and therefore is easy to dismiss.

"Sterling has dropped - but that's a boost for co.s that export"

Our main export is financial services, people don't pick that on price. Also it makes oil more expensive which increases costs.

"The FTSE250 has recovered to pre 23/6 levels"

Ah, overall yes, but lots of firms are way down on share price, strangely those that won't be effected by leaving the EU such as mining firms have seen their values rise. Banks have had to access £ 3 billion in liquidity and the ECB and BOE have made promises for more liquidity if needed. This is not a sign of health.

"Already, countries like NZ, Aus, US, India, China are making sounds about strengthening and extending trade deals. "

Good, but they are going to have to make up an awful lot of ground to compete with the 60% of exports that either goes to the EU or countries that have EU trade deals.

See all of your points are fantasy.

You demonstrate a distinct lack of understanding of economics.

He wasn't just crap in education. He was dangerous, destructive and vindictive. I hope that you are right that May beats him, though she's hardly ideal

Agree.

Op put yourself in the shoes of some posters who have been obsessed with wonky bananas.
Its helps to understand their bewilderment and ire.

Roses has definitively WON the whole discussion with her wit and incisiveness on the banana thing (which only she has mentioned but we are all totally fixated on, obvs).