Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

I can understand a protest vote to Leave from those with fuck all to lose. But my concern for them is in the fact that Brexit won't help.

And it's the Leave voters who are clever enough to Google fucking single market, yet still thought it would be 'fun' To vote against the status quo that give me the rages.

Mango, what is coming over more and more is that you have a massive chip on your shoulder

No chip on my shoulder!

and are determined to think that everyone who disagrees with you is just being beastly to you because they think they're better than you.

No, not at all.
Posters on MN do not know me, or my situation, my upbringing, my education or income level.

You cannot contemplate that they disagree with you because they are genuinely and for very good reasons very worried indeed about the consequences of leaving the EU.

Yes I can, absolutely.
I just happen to have a different opinion which I am voicing as are they.

You apparently think that Brexit was the answer to everything you think is going wrong.

No I don't, not at all.
But I do think that remaining in the EU was not the right choice.

That might be OK if anyone in the Leave camp had come up with some sort of a plan to make that happen, but they haven't, and even you admit that that is the case.

Agree.

How about instead of going on about how beastly people are being, Leave voters just answer some of the points being made on here? I swear, over the last week with so many of these threads, I've never yet seen a Leave voter come up with a logical answer as to why it's all going to be so wonderful and why we have nothing to worry about. The best they seem to produce is along the lines of "It's only been a week, Gove and his mates will come up with something" - when all they came up with during the campaign was lies.

Its speculation Judy not fact.

We have no idea where any of the money we do not need to pay to the EU will go because it has not been decided yet.

Or has it?

We know the voices who are in the running to take over - are very clear about movement of people and as cameron told the EU, its going to be a sticking point for us. Its a red line and people are very clear about that.

One day, a long time in the future, we will know if this was all worth it. We can continue arguing until the cows come home about it right now, though.

But even if you are still confident that the end will - eventually - justify the means, you can't possibly be happy with the way things are right now, today.

If there was such concern about this, I think remainers should have protested about this way back when the referendum was announced.
I understand this, I understand there will need to be re shuffling, and some limbo, before we get going. If remainers didn't realise this, they should have been protesting on this specific issue months ago.

They did! And it was bloody obvious anyway. Are you seriously now complaining that they didn't tell you?

We have no idea where any of the money we do not need to pay to the EU will go because it has not been decided yet.

Yes, we do. Several years' worth has already gone in propping up the pound. And that will continue.

Judy, you sound very bitter.

On the one side we have the chaos and bloated un democratic EU and on the other we have a FRESH START.

Fresh starts are usually that, they dont come locked in with detailed game plans because they are new and fresh.
why don't you save your energy and your moaning, for the coming months? if you dont like what you see then, moan but this attitude one week in is frankly ridiculous.

We know the voices who are in the running to take over - are very clear about movement of people and as cameron told the EU, its going to be a sticking point for us. Its a red line and people are very clear about that.

But Cameron and his successor are no longer in a position to bargain. We need to trade with the single market, we will not survive without it, and we will have to accept the rules that go with that. And we will no longer have seats in the European Parliament or any veto, and will therefore have no influence over those rules.

AnnPerkins

No I'm not happy with all the political fall out, particularly within the Labour Party who I fear are on the brink of extinction.
& I agree. It will probably take 5 years to see if this was a good move.

Are you seriously now complaining that they didn't tell you?

Um I don't need anyone to tell me anything thanks

i do not for one second regret the decision to Leave and I fully believe in the long run its the best and right decision for our country.

I am suggesting if this is now - what remain is bleating about, perhaps - a gentle perhaps - they should have argued on this specific point way back when the referendum was announced.

I must admit I didn't see any marches or protests on this point, but I could have missed them?

Judy, everything is up in the air, Cameron told the Eu FM is a sticking point and this has been backed up by May, Gove, Leadsom.

Single market is not 100% either, its all up in the air.
You are determined to simply twist and turn every single thing round to doom and gloom to try and make things sound like they are the same.

Its very clear they are not the same and will not be.

It is far too soon to be seeing any benefits. We haven't left the EU yet remember

This is a marathon not a sprint and we've only just assembled at the starting point and are still discussing our running strategy.

But there are some positive points to be seen imho:

Firstly and most importantly - vote leave was a massive boost for upholding the principle of democracy that so many people fought and died for in WWII. We Shall Not Forget.

Scotland - or N Sturgeon - is being taught (along with some others) that a democratic referendum result stands even when you don't like the outcome - that's democracy.

A second woman PM? (even if it's only for a few months?)

JCorbyn is showing what a politician who keeps his word is like to a whole nation (& Parliament) that had forgotten.

The old Blairite light blue section of the 'New' Labour Party is being cleared out.

Austerity as a divisive policy which made the rich richer (in spite of the banking industry causing global recession) and the poor poorer will come to an end in the UK

The FTSE250 has recovered to pre 23/6 levels

Sterling has dropped - but that's a boost for co.s that export

Some co.s may move service jobs to EU, but some manu will expand (see point above). Manufacturing is far more beneficial to an economy than services because it is 'real' sustainable trade rather than the mirage of 'paper only' finance trade.

Already, countries like NZ, Aus, US, India, China are making sounds about strengthening and extending trade deals.

Hinkley Point C may be reviewed- surely it was madness to build another nuclear plant when renewables can replace (& create 1000s more jobs).

Bitter, Roses? Asking people for a few reasons for being optimistic when over the course of several threads none of them has been able to come up with any? Since when was asking questions being bitter?

I'm astonished that people are coming up with this stuff about how we can't expect anything one week in. Did Leave voters seriously have no expectation whatsoever that their leaders would have some idea about what to do before they went into the referendum, let alone one week afterwards.

This thread is a classic example of the deflection we're seeing all over the place from the leave camp. When they can't come up with answers, they resort to all these ad hominem attacks and passive aggression. It's not impressive.

Maybe we should all agree to come back to this thread in 5 years time & see how things panned out?

I'm in. ( 1/7/21 )

I don't need anyone to tell me anything thanks

OK. So why are you saying that the Remain camp should have told you their legitimate concerns about the consequences of a leave vote?

*JCorbyn is showing what a politician who keeps his word is like to a whole nation (& Parliament) that had forgotten.

The old Blairite light blue section of the 'New' Labour Party is being cleared out.*

Yes!

I am not a fan of JC as a leader, I think that Labour as a whole are behaving like a bunch of kids; BUT! JC is staying true to his word & principles rather than playing a career game and working to his own ends.

I have a newfound respect for him as a person, actually.

I'm watching from the outside and it looks like a total mess. The world is watching while your "leaders" run around like headless chickens and it seems nobody has a clue what to do next.

If you want a free trade agreement you're going to have to keep your borders open. So immigration control is a moot argument. That's why we can visit Norway without a visa.

You've made Ireland, with it's incredibly low corporate tax rate, the only English speaking country in the EU. Don't be surprised if you see business migration there as it looks like a very promising place to do business.

vote leave was a massive boost for upholding the principle of democracy that so many people fought and died for in WWII. We Shall Not Forget

It depends if you think the decision was done with the right information available?

Already, countries like NZ, Aus, US, India, China are making sounds about strengthening and extending trade deals

What price will China demand? I believe there's an issue with cheap Chinese steel at the moment and workers complaining that it's flooding the market?

Sterling has dropped - but that's a boost for co.s that export

Depends on their production costs. What will a falling pound do to that?

Austerity as a divisive policy which made the rich richer (in spite of the banking industry causing global recession) and the poor poorer will come to an end in the UK

You know that?

Manufacturing is far more beneficial to an economy than services because it is 'real' sustainable trade rather than the mirage of 'paper only' finance trade

Let's hope so.

I am suggesting if this is now - what remain is bleating about, perhaps - a gentle perhaps - they should have argued on this specific point way back when the referendum was announced.

Yet again, they did, and indeed have been doing so for months. Why do you contend that they could only do so by marching or having a protest?

I'm not twisting anything; in fact, I'm repeating admissions members of the Leave camp have now made about the lies their campaign propagated.

So from being deliriously happy, OP, you're now saying let's see whether things are any better in five years time?

Agree - total respect to JC.

Actually, Roses, this sounds rather bitter to me:

The same could be said of Remainers though Kirinm couldn't it.
Selfish people happy with the status quo while others were/are suffering. Happy in a bubble away from all the pressing issues causing society to fracture.

Which bubble am I in exactly? This outcome directly affects the future of myself and my kids as Brits living in another EU country, so I'd say we're actually right on the front line.

Also, if I was selfish to be happy with the status quo, surely that makes you selfish to be happy with the status quo now, when many are likely to suffer as a result of what you voted for? You just don't have the EU to blame for it any more, but no doubt people like purits will go on trying.

Why did we need a boost for the principle of democracy? We have elections that do that.

We don't have a manufacturing base. Why will that suddenly change? And why will other countries buy from us rather than from manufacturers in the established single market which they have been trading with happily for years?

No, Lokis the Uk parliament and politicians are having a massive realignment - it's not edifying but it is HONEST and borne of sincerely held political views - something the EU autocrats and unaccountable MEPs could learn a thing or two from.

And we will get Free Trade - with the rest of the world - while the recessionary, Euro-bust EU - dwindles into decline.