Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

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Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Thank you for replying Captain.

Well, Mango, I think it was foolish because it wrecks the economy, destroys academic funding and research, takes jobs and investment out of the country and jeopardises a lot of very important employment rights.

None of these things are set in stone yet.
Economy: Heading for a dip regardless.
Academic funding & research destroyed: Is this proven and tangible?
Jobs & investment out of the country: Not yet known for certain the outcome.
Jeopardises employment rights: which ones specifically? How?

I think the gullibility came from believing in Boris Johnson who has immediately crumbled, making it clear he had no faith in what he was saying himself.

Do you think that all 17+ million voters believed or believed in Boris Johnson?
Do you really believe that Boris Johnson was even a factor in many people's vote?

The prejudice - see Farage's racist poster. Undeniably, some people voted Leave based on racism and prejudice. We can argue over how many but it's a fact that some were motivated by this.

Farage's poster was denounced unequivocally by all but a particularly horrible minority.
Do you think that over 17 million people backed his poster & were driven by racism & prejudice?

Don't you dare pretend that no one believed the £350 million to the NHS claim - yes, the dishonesty was pointed out but again, a proportion of Leave voters genuinely believed this and have expressed their disappointment on discovering that it was not true on Friday.

I concede that a proportion of Leave voters may have been swayed by this, but it was repeatedly debunked on all forms of media.
Do you believe that a majority of Leave voters actually believed this figure?

The belief that they were sticking it to the man was misguided; a vote against the EU was not a one against the elite. Look at the people in charge of Leave and tell me they don't represent the 'establishment'.

Do you think that 'the man' was just the politicians?
Do you accept that a large proportion of working class & disaffected, disenfranchised people were making a last ditch attempt to be heard by more than just politicians?

Yes, of course the slogans were effective. Why do you think people spend millions of pounds on advertising and slogans if it doesn't work? Not everyone thought that hard about their vote - some people were indeed convinced by slogans.

I accept the slogan was genius.
But do you not agree that the very reason it worked so well was because it absolutely tapped into the mood and desperate feeling of the long ignored?

Reckless - some people just wanted a change without considering what the consequences might be. That's reckless in my opinion.

What proportion of voters do you think may have voted purely through recklessness?
Enough to sway the vote the other way?

It is because Leave won that has caused the present state of turmoil, and yet those who voted against this seismic disruption are apparently the ones who "want it to happen" WTF?

Don't forget that all the Remainers 'talking down the economy' are the ones who are making us look weak to the world and thus damaging the economy. So if the economy does tank, that's our fault too. Not the fault of the people who made the most monumentally stupid decision and have helped make the country an international laughing stock.

Well, I'm comforted that you don't believe maternity protection is under threat but I prefer it when the government are legally bound to honour it. I don't believe that an austerity Tory government will protect employment rights at all and take was certainly what I took from the Telegraph article, which seemed to see this as a good thing. With luck, a government wouldn't risk it as I sincerely hope it would render them unelectable. But this Tory government have already done some terrible things in the name of austerity - when plunged into recession again and unshackled by protective European legislation, I am afraid of what they may take from us. I very much hope I am wrong and panicking unnecessarily and would welcome the reassurance that this is the case.

Captain Blackbeard, a poster mentioned that they had bought their house 20 years ago and could afford it then so why not now. The problem is that for so many people house prices are now absolutely out of sync with their salaries. For example, it was not uncommon to buy your first property in London in about your late 20s, back in the 80s, even if your salary was pathetic you could team up with a friend. Now, that's inconceivable except for really quite well off people. I want normalcy again and I think that's what we'll get, where the option of security is there - you buy a house to live in, and don't watch the price every week hoping it's gone up. It's a stretch, but it's a realistic stretch. There won't be this terrible inequality.

I'm afraid I keep calling you Blackbeard. How rude - sorry about that.

Mango you deserve a pint or whatever you're tipple is, the sun will still come up tomorrow regardless and generally I've watched enough Bear Grylls to survive the Apocalypse bet you have too!

Mango, it's the cumulative effect of all the factors. So, racists alone may not have swayed it. The slogans by themselves wouldn't have done it. The NHS lie wasn't enough by itself. Not every Leave voter liked Johnson or Farage. But put all the factors together and that's why I think people voted Leave. What do you think I missed off the list?

House prices are ridiculous, I'm just not sure why that is the fault of the EU or why it will be better now?

You haven't included my reasons :) The EU is failing, it wastes money we could spend at home and is bloated and corrupt.

I think it's stretching things to saw maternity / paternity laws would be repealed. I don't see that happening.

I don't know about this in particular, but, in general, I think you're putting so so so much faith in a Tory government which doesn't give a flying fuck about personal rights. In a recession, the business lobby will trump all. It's carte blanche for some serious pruning of both benefits and workers' protections: how can struggling countries and the impoverished state possibly face, for example, the disruption and costs of irresponsible women buggering off for baby after baby? (Not my opinion; hope that goes without saying.)

And the whole 'well, at least they're elected, so we'll boot them out' thing -- yes, great, but maybe not for years, by which point they've done considerable damage to people's lives.

And the awfulness in Spain, Greece and Italy. The suffering of those people. Doesn't bear thinking about.

And how many Leavers are going to tell us that it's ok because the sun will come up??? I do realise that you didn't vote for Gove to extinguish the sun. I'll be more reassured if you tell me how things will be GOOD rather than telling me that the world won't end. Your expectations must be pretty low if that's the best you can come up with!

Stanleysmum, I can survive anything!
Bear Grylls even taught me how to live in a camels innards for warmth (vom).

And the fact that everything important they touch is a mess. Euro in the Med countries, fail. Ukraine, fail. Migration crisis, fail. Most of those running the EU are either failed national politicians or shoe-ins who never got a vote. So in many ways the list of failures isn't surprising.

So you think that all leave voters comprise one or more of those things then?

Over 17 million people made a massive decision based on empty slogans, lies on busses, dubious 'personalities', racism & recklessness?

I think you're putting so so so much faith in a Tory government which doesn't give a flying fuck about personal rights

the vote goes far beyond a tory or labour or ....government it would have been very short sighted to vote on such a big issue on whoever happened to be in the government of the day.

Captain was that to me? How is reducing the risk of work exploitation and increasing the likelihood of having a secure home, low expectations? It's one of the three main things I want for my child apart from someone to love, which is not something I expect any government to make provision for.

i thought we had one of the most progressive packages in maternity?

Do you have any real, tangible reasons for why people voted to leave or is it just abstract ideas?

We do Roses - in fact I think our maternity package exceeds the minimum standard set by the EU!

CaptainBrickbeard
You seem overly anxious about this if you don't mind me saying - why are you so fearful? Why are you so certain it's going to be a disaster? Is this EU vote dominating your life atm?

No, Truth, the low expectations are the people who say that the sun will still come up - they don't inspire me with hope that something good is going to happen, just that they are saying it won't be the apocalypse. I'm hoping for something better than 'not catastrophic'.

Ok, I don't think voting out of the EU is the way to get what you are hoping for but thanks for actually suggesting some positives. I hope that you are right and I am wrong (if we go ahead with Brexit, obviously my main hope is that we don't!)

'the cash will be in fewer far wealthier, far more powerful, self-interested people's bank accounts.'

I don't know why you think this. I think the opposite is true. After all, while in the EU we've seen inequality between average wage rates explode.

That's nice Captain thank you. I hope (believe!) I'm right too because all our children will benefit! Well goodnight.