Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

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Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Well, Mango, I think it was foolish because it wrecks the economy, destroys academic funding and research, takes jobs and investment out of the country and jeopardises a lot of very important employment rights.

I think the gullibility came from believing in Boris Johnson who has immediately crumbled, making it clear he had no faith in what he was saying himself.

The prejudice - see Farage's racist poster. Undeniably, some people voted Leave based on racism and prejudice. We can argue over how many but it's a fact that some were motivated by this.

Don't you dare pretend that no one believed the £350 million to the NHS claim - yes, the dishonesty was pointed out but again, a proportion of Leave voters genuinely believed this and have expressed their disappointment on discovering that it was not true on Friday.

The belief that they were sticking it to the man was misguided; a vote against the EU was not a one against the elite. Look at the people in charge of Leave and tell me they don't represent the 'establishment'.

Yes, of course the slogans were effective. Why do you think people spend millions of pounds on advertising and slogans if it doesn't work? Not everyone thought that hard about their vote - some people were indeed convinced by slogans.

Reckless - some people just wanted a change without considering what the consequences might be. That's reckless in my opinion.

TheTruthCouldOut I did read your positives.

Breaking free of an unaccountable and bloated kleptocracy.

Less wastage of our money.
Easier to make 1-1 trade deals.

Snowbell (I think?) already pointed out what empty hopes these are. They sound really positive, so they're superficially hard to argue with -- no, but I LIKE wasting money! - but they're either factually wrong, or don't really mean anything quantifiable, or have benefits which are negated by the new costs and losses we've incurred.

People are listening to Brexiter's positive projections one of the most offensive pro-Brexit accusations is that the rest of us somehow want the UK to go down the pan; it's the equivalent of Trump-level rhetoric where if you disagree, you must hate your own country but I don't see much evidence that Brexiters are listening to the many, many responses detailing the unrealistic nature of these claims.

Ha. The EU is responsible for the racism currently being displayed? Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say that UK voters actually want more African/Asian/middle eastern immigrants as opposed to Eu "white" ones? As long as we get to pick who comes? This seems to be the argument put forward. And I don't believe it. There is a huge amount of inherent racism in the UK (and elsewhere). I am a totally non-racist remain supporter who thinks that the issues of globalisation need to be dealt with in the larger forum

Happy Leaver here!

Getting shot of the EU is going to be great, yes there's work to be done but I feel so positive for the future! It's like football fans would feel if we ever managed to take down FIFA. You can love the game but still dislike the corrupt organisation that runs it.

Like comparing people's jobs and futures to football is ok.

And no our government is not a game , before the f**wits jump in

It's an analogy, and football IS a game. Europe is to the EU as football is to FIFA.

More meaningless, empty slogans. Give us some examples of EU corruption and how the dangers of it outweigh the positives of EU membership and explain why we are better off with a Tory government unrestricted by EU protections of workers' rights.

That's ok Then. So name a positive thing that my child will experience in the future from not being in the EU?

I'm just back.

'They're either factually wrong, or don't really mean anything quantifiable, or have benefits which are negated by the new costs and losses we've incurred.'

I'm not sure how they're factually wrong? Which one of my points is wrong please.

Don't mean anything quantifiable? But the wasting money is a quantifiable thing, I think it's hard to quantify with a number because for example the accounts aren't audit passed, as I say. For example, moving to Strasbourg once a month costs around 100 million a year. It's just one small example. Do you want quantifiable examples of waste or perhaps over indulgence, a lack of respect for taxpayers' money? It's a very quantifiable thing.

Benefits that are negated? Again, what do you mean? I could quote disbenefits that are negated, for example, even if we don't strike a deal on the single market, and have to live with a 3%WTO tariff, that's already negated by the 6% drop in the pound, so our exports are still cheaper.

I'm not sure about the rights originating in the EU. When 'leavers' say that the UK doesn't have a voice in Brussels, 'remainders' have pointed to the amount of legislation we have agreed to or even introduced. But that would mean that those rights, then, would be safe in our hands, surely?

one of the most offensive pro-Brexit accusations is that the rest of us somehow want the UK to go down the pan

YY Rum, it's ridiculous!

It is because Leave won that has caused the present state of turmoil, and yet those who voted against this seismic disruption are apparently the ones who "want it to happen" WTF? I've asked why Remain voters would want the UK to fail, for ourselves, for our jobs and everybody else's, for peace in our society and beyond, for our children - haven't had a sensible answer apart from some version of "So you can feel superior" .

As for the magical thinking that dissatisfied Remain voters could think the economy down or will failure upon the country, words fail me. I sincerely hope nobody actually believes that and it is just rhetoric, because otherwise we truly are doomed. But! Just in case these accusations are serious, I would gently point out that Leave are the majority, so your positive thoughts for Making Britain Great again and Taking Back Control should be the overwhelming ones .

Beenthere, I think your child will be able to afford to rent, to buy in a normal way in a normally priced market. I think your child will be less vulnerable to labour exploitation because of a greater regulation on the supply of labour.

CaptainBrickbeard, the Brexit campaigning of Johnson and Farage must go on record as the most successful campaign that, apparently, affected nobody's vote at all. They really should've save their time: everyone here on Mumsnet did hours of private research and was not remotely influenced by them.

Why would you even mention their slogans and adverts? They played no part! Everyone knew their promises, including stuff written on a bloody bus, were already identified as false; obviously these promises were 'for illustrative purposes only: actual model may vary'. Stop trying to smear Brexiters by associating them with the most vocal and visible public figures of their campaign! Another sneaky underhand Bremain tactic, I fear.

What does that have to do with the EU? I was able to buy a house 20 years ago. Prices haven't risen because of immigrants. It's more to do with the general economy and buy to let, and 20 years of programmes treating property as investment rather than homes.

Sorry I missed one on the democracy and accountability. Well democracy is not exactly 'quantifiable' as in, the cost of everything, the value of nothing. It has a value on which a price cannot be placed. The EU is less accountable than our national government. There's an extreme distance about it, a detachment from the lives of the people being 'represented'. MPs are more accountable than MEPs, while the Commissioners are what I would call 'under elected'. I mean it's personally sad for Lord Hill but whoever voted for that man in their whole lives?

My child is less vulnerable to labour exploitation due to EU rules.

Been there, the factors you have mentioned would make no difference at all, unless there was an imbalance between supply and demand. The factors you have mentioned are a result of the imbalance between supply and demand (i.e. the rising population) and not the cause of it.

Not really been there. It is supply and demand again. Supply goes up - price goes down. Labour supply goes up - wages go down.

But your daughter might not have maternity leave, she might be sacked for getting pregnant or maybe not hired in the first place in case she has children. This was heavily implied by the Telegraph's six great things about Brexit - great for big business, bad for individual workers.

I have seen Leavers talking about how houses will be affordable, why will this be? The economy may tank and house prices crash but people won't be able to afford them because their wages will drop correspondingly and the cost of living will rise.

Of course there is a difference between supply and demand. It's not caused by immigrants though.

Rum

And we might have the same levels of immigration as we might have to keep freedom of movement, right?

I think it's stretching things to saw maternity / paternity laws would be repealed. I don't see that happening.

Rum

How is it not caused by more people coming to live here than leave? I don't understand why you would think that. Have you not seen the ONS figures? Excuse me if I'm saying something you already know, but the ONS cites net migration as one of the main causes of the rise in population. Is there a reason you think differently.

Give us some examples of EU corruption and how the dangers of it outweigh the positives of EU membership and explain why we are better off with a Tory government unrestricted by EU protections of workers' rights

Sorry if its something you proclaim your interested in, you would bloody well know the scale of the corruption, you would have already read up on it. Read up on it, hell, if your voting to remain, an expert on it , surely> Surely you know your beast intimately? Surely? Not asking some random on the internet to google it for you?

Rum, why did remain campaign? Every remain voter is intelligent, an expert ( see above) on all issues relating to the EU....why?