Boris Johnson has pulled out of leadership race

[feckity]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

iseenodust, I think that may also be why Dacre has not backed Gove, due to Gove's closeness with Murdoch

I think that may also be why Dacre has not backed Gove, due to Gove's closeness with Murdoch

Don't you ever get a little bit concerned over the relationship between newspaper editors and owners and politicians?

'Don't you ever get a little bit concerned over the relationship between newspaper editors and owners and politicians?'

I do if it is not the Daily Mail.

But all politicians are influenced by lots of powerful people and media bosses, that is how it works.

Having read a bit about Dacre, he looks like part of a metropolitan elite (with an estate in scotland, not 'middle england'). Journo with an artsy academic wife? He's just another of these boys playing games with the people for his own ends.

I do if it is not the Daily Mail

The DM is a paper of hate. HTH

JudyCoolibar, I was close

Oh, come on, you said several times that Dacre would support Gove. Dacre is supporting May. You were 100% wrong.

Now I understand why you claim to be always right. You simply ignore the facts that prove you aren't.

About Dacre Polly Toynbee wrote in The Guardian: "Who would have thought the self-appointed voice of 'middle England' harboured such aristocratic fantasies as to acquire a mighty Scottish estate, complete with deer stalking, grouse shooting and salmon fishing?"

'You were 100% wrong.'

Yes, OK I was wrong, I thought Dacre would back Gove rather than May. It was an earthquake to find Dacre had done that.

Anyone who Dacre backs is by definition with the people because Dacre represents Middle England.

You mean, like Major in 1997; Hague in 2001; Howard in 2003; Goldsmith in 2016? The people don't seem to agree with you there.

And you do know that Dacre takes hundreds of thousands in EU subsidies, don't you?

It was an earthquake to find Dacre had done that

Sometimes it takes an earthquake to challenge your thought processes. You can look for all the facts you want to support your case until one massive undeniable fact comes through to show your opinion is wrong.

Don't worry - we are humans and we want to think we are right.

'And you do know that Dacre takes hundreds of thousands in EU subsidies, don't you?'

Does he? Well that will come to an end now that we have voted Brexit.

The DM is such a load of tripe. I thought people only read it for the sleb gossip. People don't actually take their stories as gospel, do they? I can't believe it if they do!

Does he? Well that will come to an end now that we have voted Brexit

Depends if he thinks industries in the UK need subsidies from UK Government to support them just as the EU supported them.

Claig, you proclaim with confidence that Dacre is the voice of the people without knowing that he takes hefty EU subsidies whilst pushing to come out of the EU? Why don't you try to find out basic facts before making these pronouncements? Don't the words "screaming hypocrite" occur to you?

I don't know everything about Dacre. I know he got on well with Gordon Brown. All i know is that most of the positions Dacre takes in his paper are in tune with the voice of the people, unlike most other papers.

All i know is that most of the positions Dacre takes in his paper are in tune with the voice of the people, unlike most other papers

Anti trans
Anti immigrants
Anti working women
Body shaming
Benefit shaming
Single parents

Have I missed anything out?

I don't think that is a fair depiction, but that is a completely different thread

Warning: entering Tinfoil Territory here but genuine pondering as there seems to be no end of schemes within schemes going on....BJ American citizen, RM big American interests...could it be possible that turmoil is being created here to be reported in effort to quell the populist uprising headed by Trump? And Claig, where is Farage? (Forming a new party with Boris and Banks?)

'could it be possible that turmoil is being created here to be reported in effort to quell the populist uprising headed by Trump?'

No, because Brexit helps Trump. Trump said that he had called Brexit correctly and that he was "on the side of the people" and that Hillary as always, was on the side of the elites.

"From Brexit to Trump, the elites have lost control over politics – and anything could happen now"

www.cityam.com/244554/brexit-trump-elites-have-lost-control-over-politics-and

'And Claig, where is Farage? (Forming a new party with Boris and Banks?)'

That is a very good point. Both Farage and Boris have been shunned by the Establishment. Boris has nowhere to go politically now. I am not sure he would want to join UKIP because the Establishment would then heap bile upon him, and he doesn't really believe in UKIP's positions, but it is possible.

How can you possibly think that isn't a fair depiction of the stance of the Mail, Claig? Are you seriously suggesting all those front pages are some sort of aberration? If you have paid any attention whatsoever to the Mail you would know that they are 100% representative of its stance.

some people do read it for the sleb twaddle and magazine-type content. But then they read the other stuff, and if they're not getting information from other stories, it oozes into their thought processes, and then back out again - so the voice becomes in tune with the paper. I've seen it happen with someone who switched to DM from a broadsheet (when they were the norm for serious papers) just because the broadsheets were physically too large to read comfortably, found the DM entertaining..... urgh, I hate the way it manipulates people. (yes, I know other papers/media do it too but it's particularly nasty)

judy

Could be worse. It could be the Express

Errol I actually think it is because they don't understand the language in other papers. I think the Daily Mail is for the lesser educated? puts on helmet and armour

Horehound - that's absolutely not the case with the DM readers I know.

It's 100% the case of the readers of DM that I know.