march for europe - london - saturday 2nd july

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and a good place to pop a reminder in about the TTIP.....

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

TTIP was worrying and it was great to see the backlash against it in EU put it back a step.

The worry now is that the UK in a panic to get preferential deals would just sign up to the same sort of agreement regardless.

OMG I totes agree bkgirl.

Remainers, it's your fault if we go down the pan. Sure, we've massively fucked you over but if you could just grin and get on with it then maybe it'll be fine. Otherwise you've ruined everything.

And anyway, like, it doesn't matter if you're upset or damaged by this in some way, because it was democratic. Those awesome lies our leaders told to get everyone on our side? Democracy!

All those people who said they voted as a bizarre form of protest and didn't think it would count? Democracy!

That narrow majority that wouldn't count as a consensus in a trade union? DEMOCRACY!

But you want to march and protest? Jesus that's not democratic, have fun, you'll get attacked!

Also if you could you just possibly react in a non-human way to all the uncertainty, that would be great, because I for one find you tiresome. I am literally yawning right now.

Both main political parties in meltdown, dire predictions of economic downturn... but when the shit hits the fan we'll blame it all on a few folk for destroying public confidence by walking to Westminster to register our feelings and concern...

Good luck with march

The Somme stuff is a bit random though, I think we should steer clear of that discussion.

Totally agree with BreakingDad re TTIP

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Have the people who want to meet up before the march agreed exactly where and how we will recognise each other? Would love to join you.

London's too far for us - can we have one up north??

It was very moving watching the Somme service this afternoon. A little part of me did wonder though that it would have been better and more practical if they could have received the help when they needed it . They returned from the war with life changing injuries with no way of earning money having to go and beg.

Thats the thanks that was shown to these working class soldiers back then. I think they would be happy to see that disabled people now receive better treatment and arent locked away out of sight with people pretending they dont exist.
More than anyone i think these soldiers would want these rights protected and wouldnt want anyone else with life changing disabilities going through the same as they did . Many of these rights either came from or are shored up by the EU.

I dont believe the timing is wrong. For the reasons i stated.

I dont think they went through all they did to be used as emotional blackmail by Leave voters against people who want to express their feelings now that there is a threat against the EU . And one of the reasons the union was started was for peace. So the timing isnt wrong at all.

I dont think they went through all they did to be used as emotional blackmail by Leave voters against people who want to express their feelings now that there is a threat against the EU

I voted remain so it isn't just leave voters that disagree with the March.

There has been a vote. Leave won.

Prehaps if the groups that were thought to have been Remainers (ie 18-25) could have been arsed to vote then the result would have been different.

Truth is only 36% of them did

I am disappointed with the result. That however is democracy.

We know which side got the most votes.

People could march about a teabag if they felt so inclined. That is also democracy.

I was reading an article today about how we need to change democracy, how we can't trust people to vote and instead should have specially selected members of the public (like jury duty) to vote on different issues (local communities can then direct discussions).

Tbh I wonder where these marches and petitions end up. Do we just have a constant cycle with no end result?
Do we throw our one person: one vote system away and replace it with selected panels?

I am genuinely confused at how people think this is going to work because from here it looks very like a slippery slope to eroding democracy and validating those people who think 'democracy doesn't work and ordinary people can't be trusted'
You're protesting against democracy in a country that has the potential to slide to the right. And I can't understand what end result you're hoping to achieve. Can anyone enlighten me?
How are you hoping this ends up?

Helena I'm also a remain voter and feel it inappropriate to do so this weekend.

Also after WW1 the haughty fund was set up to help injured soldiers, this then grew to be known as The Royal British Legion who's head office is still in Haig House, London, and this charity still to this day spends hundreds of thousands a well helping servicemen and women throughout the UK and abroad. One could argue if the situation was not dire, it would never have formed.

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Is there some democracy top trumps scale we're unaware of? Referendum beats right to legally protest?

The weird thing about how sacred this referendum decision is and I'm not campaigning to reverse it; I just don't understand why we have to sit down and shut up and make no attempts to influence its execution or express our disagreement is that it simultaneously gives 'the people' final and unquestionable authority, because 52% voted out, but immediately denies the other 48% any right to protest or respond, because 'the people have spoken'.

If 'the people' are so awesome and important, why aren't we allowed to state our views in public? Are this 48% not people any more? Did we stop being part of 'the people' early last Friday morning? That's a fair chunk of the populace who are now apparently honour-bound to shut up and stop all democratic participation. Presumably we get let off taxes, though?

Also if you could you just possibly react in a non-human way to all the uncertainty

its been a week. One bloody week. If you followed anything you would have seen a brexit predicted everything that has happened, pound falling ftse falling, nothing has happened that is such a shock, we always thought cameron would have to go...if you followed all this there would be no un certainty for you.

i dont think you should sit down, march but it wont do anything.

Who are you directing this at, Winnie?

Last time I heard we had freedom of expression in this country.

People walking to Parliament Square tomorrow to express thoughts and concerns about how this country is being governed right now doesn't threaten democracy.

Maybe marching will achieve something for us, personally. For our sense of community.

DrumKit google David Clapson.

And the silence on this is deafening.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/armed-forces-families-live-homes-7898197

Helena, I work for a veterans charity. I am fully aware of SFA housing issues, the prpbelm is pandemic and huge.

The issue is SFA comes under part of the defence budget, and when that's cut they don't reduce the number of bullets they have as a first choice, they limit repairs to SFA.

I'll also add, as the partner of a serviceman, I've lived in my fair share of SFA (service family accommodation) it's really poor at some camps.

One child on a campaign was electrocuted quite badly by a live wire left hanging out of the wall when repairs to a kitchen was being made, they had forgotten to cut the circuit to the kitchen

Camp, sorry my typing is poor, I'm a bit tipsy after the football and autocorrect is not my friend either

if you followed all this there would be no un certainty for you.

If you genuinely can't perceive the total uncertainty all around us, especially in the political and business sectors, then you're very lucky.

It's not just about how many pence to the dollar today. There are so many companies who are now locked into a 'wait and see' approach about how EU trading regulations will play out whether they'll be forced to relocate in part or whole to the EU , so many academic and research programs and projects with a question mark over future funding, so many regions and sectors (including agriculture) where we're waiting to see what, if anything, will replace EU subsidies and investments, so many immigrants to this country waiting to see if they'll retain their right to live and work here or will have to participate in some visa process, so many UK expats in Europe who are unsure as to what their eventual status there will be, so many employees not yet knowing if their jobs are safe, so many... have I said so many enough?

And now we have to wait for our two major parties to get their shit together and establish leaders, and wait to see how Brexit negotiations pan out with countries that seem part-conciliatory and part-hostile.

It's a huge unknown. Everyone is just drawing breath and waiting to see what the fuck happens next, over the next few weeks and months.