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Andrea Leadsom - please stand for leadership!

684 replies

Millyonthefloss2 · 29/06/2016 10:46

Anyone agree?

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Vri123 · 08/07/2016 20:04

theelements if you think God is talking to you inside your head, then you've got a mental illness, not a faith. Therefore the question was insulting.

Vri123 · 08/07/2016 20:09

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Did Blair say that? Wow!

I thought it was clearly established yesterday that we went to war with Iraq because TB was extremely keen to do what George W Bush wanted, whatever GWB wanted. So, he made the decision to go to war and then sifted through the facts, selecting the ones that suited his opinion in order to convince himself and as many other people as possible that we should go to war.

He certainly admired GWB (though why is a mystery in itself) but the motivation was to make GWB happy, not God.

TheElementsSong · 08/07/2016 20:19

Therefore the question was insulting.

We shall have to agree to disagree on this. No hard feelings.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 08/07/2016 20:24

Driven by God and GWB, so say those who worked closely with him - his close aide at the time, and his biographer.

He himself says 'he prayed to god over the decision to go to war'. And we know how that turned out.

Mighty disturbing, and probably best not repeated in future PMs.

ArcheryAnnie · 08/07/2016 20:29

Vri if you are posting links to inaccurate, inflammatory, offensive things, then disclaiming all responsibility for those links, you cannot really be surprised when other posters find this a bit strange, and challenge it.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 08/07/2016 20:34

Yeah - the single parent stuff is really shitty actually. Harks back to the 80's when the tories were blaming society's ills on "young single mothers wanting council houses" Hmm

ArcheryAnnie · 08/07/2016 20:38

Tho - anyone wants to give me a council house, I won't say no, Under. I might be waiting a long time. (I'm not young either, sadly.)

nauticant · 08/07/2016 22:21

What a peculiarly slippery and evasive argument Vri123 has put forward for Leadsom. The TM campaign will need to keep this kind of thing in mind. Be wary of attacking any position Leadsom has asserted because in no time at all her supporters will say you are bullying her.

Carpaccio · 08/07/2016 22:39

I posted this in the other May/Leadsom thread, but I really am shocked that Leadsom would do this. I don't like her, but this is just unacceptable.

Andrea Leadsom - please stand for leadership!
UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 08/07/2016 22:54

Yeah - below the belt that. Nasty.

Inkanta · 08/07/2016 23:34

Carp - that headline apparently isn't true. Andrea Leadsom has responded on Twitter about it - with these words -

'Truly appalling and the exact opposite of what I said. I am disgusted.'

JudyCoolibar · 08/07/2016 23:43

Her denial of the tweet in itself appears to be a pack of lies - politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/andrea-leadsoms-team-claim-overrun-by-foreigners-tweet-never-existed-heres-proof-it-did/

ArcheryAnnie · 08/07/2016 23:57

Leadsom doesn't have a good track record for honesty, so I am taking her denials with a pinch of salt. Plus, we've already had all the "as a mother" comments, so it's not like she doesn't already have form on this.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 09/07/2016 00:02

Someone's just tweeted "Has anyone checked that she's actually got kids though?"

Grin
Inkanta · 09/07/2016 00:07

Even if you read the article you can see how they have stretched the context of her interview.

ArcheryAnnie · 09/07/2016 00:08

The journalist concerned has just tweeted the notes. I'm starting to believe Leadsom isn't even an MP, but is some kind of chancer, like those people in A&E who put on a white coat and start treating people.

(The Leadsom memes on twitter are very good. I've just spotted one where she's chatting with her close friend Elvis.)

1mimsymumsy · 09/07/2016 00:09

Yay! I'd love Andrea as my mum, sorry prime minister. She's dead sensible and smiley. Exactly like my mum. Everyone's mum! I like that she's all bigoted about gays and doesn't feel she should hide it. So sensible. And smiley. And kind. She seems really clear-thinking. Mums are the best aren't they? People without kids have no idea how hard it is to run a family or a country. Yay! Andrea gets my vote. The country needs someone whose whole career was in banking, stocks and hedge-funds and stuff because we can trust someone like that. Lovely mum Andrea. We mums love you!! Because your a mum.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 09/07/2016 00:10

Archery Grin

Vri123 · 09/07/2016 05:52

I seem to be taking a bit of a kicking. This is my last post, as I am about to name change (for other reasons than avoiding being hounded).

What do I think of AL?
In the beginning, I thought:
I thought she was really good on the EU debates - which were the first I had heard of her. I was impressed that she had been CIO of Invesco Perpetual for 10 years, and from that I deduced a series of skills and personal attributes that you would need to do that job well. Then, I was impressed with the polite, clear, calm way she conducted herself on the MN webchat. I read that she'd been sexually discriminated against when returning from maternity leave and TBH I was impressed that she'd managed to overcome that, as it can end many a career. Finally, I read that she had a special interest in very young children, something which probably motivates me more than anything else. So, to me, having voted for Brexit myself, this was a woman who ticked a lot of the right boxes.

However, I am not some sort of politics obsessive, so although I watch some political programs I don't exactly devote my day to it. One thing I did not do was read AL's blog. I heard reference to it for the first time two days ago when the political hacks started trawling through it looking for dirt on her, and I googled it for the first time yesterday afternoon basically between my two posts that were four mins apart - the first one saying that I thought the offending views Breakingdad referenced were taken from a blog and the post four minutes giving the URL.

A few days ago, my positive opinion on AL began to weaken. I was not impressed by the lying about her CV. Not being CIO blew a big hole in her profile and the stupidity of telling lies that can easily be checked put a big question mark over her.

With regard to that blog piece, on family life, I posted the URL and then read it. TBH I scanned past the title, not giving it much thought at all. I was looking for an attack on single mothers which is what the post was being described as. I couldn't find justification for calling it an attack on single parents. I read it as a call for a sensitively handled debate into what's best for children, not whether single parents were bad people or otherwise.

Having had it pointed out to me quite strongly, I can see that the title was ill-chosen and could be offensive. Personally, I suspect that the offence was not intended but its clearly been taken. The 70% statistic is worth saying if true, but was it true in 2006, or ever?
I think, like the lying, and being caught doing it, that's another bad sign about AL. I am wondering if she has learned to say things more carefully since 2006 when she was still working? I would expect she has because she obviously isn't stupid and that was at the very beginning of her political life, when she was just a local councillor but now she's running for PM.
So, I'm not a Conservative party member, and therefore will not be voting. However, if I was I am not sure whether I would vote for AL or abstain, because I couldn't bring myself to vote for TM.

Mistigri · 09/07/2016 05:59

that headline apparently isn't true

I've just read the relevant bit of the interview transcript, and the quotes seem to be true and the headline a reasonable paraphrase of them.

The lawyers will have been all over this before publication, so I have no doubt she said what she is alleged to have said.

Vri123 · 09/07/2016 06:06

Oh and the 70% statistic (if true)... then that means that if
1 in x children from two parent families get into trouble later,
then 1.7 in x from one parent families do.

Its not 70% of children from one parent families have problems at school, and even to become a drug addict or a criminal.

Vri123 · 09/07/2016 06:15

The Times: "Being a mother gives me edge on May - Leadsom"

Andrea Leadsom - please stand for leadership!
Inkanta · 09/07/2016 06:20

Vri123

Don't go! Have enjoyed reading your posts.Smile

All I know is that the Murdoch paper's back May - that is transparent and the EU biased Media stop at nothing to blacken Andrea Leadsom's name.

Inkanta · 09/07/2016 06:39

'Being a mother give's me the edge.'

This is the title on the front of The Times and an example of how low Murdoch journalism will go when they back someone else. She didn't say that.

hotcurrypowder · 09/07/2016 06:49

The Times has published the transcript of the interview. Sorry Andrea but any support I had for you has now vanished. Absolutely despicable thing to say.