Europe's Leading Statesman Gives 'Em Hell

[claig]

Farage addresses the European Parliament after historic Brexit vote.

He says "most of you have never had a real job in your lives" and they all nod in agreement. Farage says "the little people defied the multinationals" and the multinationals sadly agree.

As Farage speaks to the world, puppets panic, stooges are stunned, elitists take a lie down, globalists are gobsmacked and the people party.

At the end of Farage's speech, the Establishment broadcast their pre-recorded booing tape in order to drown out the roar of defiance of the British people.

After Farage, Marine Le Pen speaks and says that the Brexit vote is the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

FrankH, that is a good point. The political class won't let farage near it because he is their main opposition, likely to take votes off them.

But there is one problem for the Leavers, who actually won. Farage doesn't trust Boris to really take us out of the EU, he thinks the Establishment might try and stitch us up. So there has to be some UKIP element at least, since it was Farage who got us the Referendum at all, observing the negotiations or the Leavers may be stitched up by the Establishment teams.

But if you don't think they are good Claig then why are you quoting her? Because that is what she stands for.

'But if you don't think they are good Claig then why are you quoting her? '

Because I quoted her speech which I think is spot on. Not everything she says is wrong and not everything Cameron says is right, but I still quote Cameron if he says something true.

Do you not understand the importance of national sovereignty, of the people having sovereignty and to be able to sack their own lawmakers?

I understand quite a few things, but first let me address the above directly. The laws we have within this country affect us. the laws we have between us and others internationally and that exist within the countries surrounding us also affect us. The EU exists. It is of benefit of us to govern ourselves (which we DO) and it is also of benefit of us to have a seat (actually probably a joint leadership seat with France and Germany) at the EU table where we not only govern ourselves but also have major influence over policy and laws over the surrounding global community as a hole. We no longer have a seat at that table. if you think this gives us more power you have little understanding of law and policy. The EU is not a blind institution. 90% of it's decisions have to be run through 28 member states until they are happy. If not literally democratic, it is / was largely so and we have a lot of control over what went on. Now we have nothing. As well as no one to protect us against our own government. The power we had globally, the control on the real stage was magnified by our membership. Not a lot happens in the world without us backing it. Where do you think we stand now?

Secondly, I understand that principles are meaningless if they are not backed practically.

The Leavers and Remainers both had "opinions" but in terms of hard evidence, absolutely ALL of it said the EU was a good thing. We hve a major amount of hard data, for example the balances of competences review which showed how a member state was affected by it’s membership of the EU and was independently eveluated as being immensely comprehensive and accurate, and it showed that our EU membership was a good thing for us. Every major sector across the economy thinks we should stay in the EU, including trade unions, financial institutions, overwhelming evidence is basically that the EU is a good thing.

We just have a few utter wallies saying "we want to govern ourselves!!!".

Lovely principle but childish, irresponsible and self-defeating.

Britain is weaker now.

"Britain" may no longer even exist in 5 years.

People like you have not done their research. You act rashly without thinking, without understanding and without any foresight beyond your principles founded on a fantasy.

You hide behind racist lunatics and then condemn them and bemoan the fact that the BBC shows racists on TV. Thank fuck they do. Thank FUCK people like you cannot deny this element exists and how prevalent it is.

If you are worried about what is televised, I would worry more about the things that were televised that were not true, rather than the ones that were true.

Your title for this thread defines you perfectly clearly.

Mad as a packet of fascist crackers.

If that frogfaced cunt hates the EU so much, why the fuck is he still an MEP and getting paid for it, the fascist hypocrite?

'The Leavers and Remainers both had "opinions" but in terms of hard evidence, absolutely ALL of it said the EU was a good thing.'

But the people decided differently. All of the banks and multinationals and losing political class have said "we will respect the will of the British people". It is too late to rerun the debate, the people have spoken.

'bemoan the fact that the BBC shows racists on TV'

I think they did it deliberately to help Project Fear and I think they caused unnecessary fear in doing so.

claig
It may have been Farage who got the ball rolling, but all the evidence suggests that it was Boris who won it for Leave. The margin was small, and it was his joining, and in effect leading (much to the chagrin of Farage) the Leave campaign which gave it the impetus to cross the line. Farage, Gove, Duncan-Smith wouldn't have done it.

As for Boris himself, he used to be one of my favourite politicians - until he became mayor of London. It then became apparent that he is basically a con-man. He probably thinks of himself as another Churchill (he wrote a good biography on the great man). If, as seems quite likely, he is to be our next leader, it is to be hoped that he actually does have some Churchillian qualities.

I'm not confident that he has. On the other hand, perhaps, in these chaotic times, a con-man as a leader is the next best thing. Boris conned London, he has conned the country - perhaps he can con the EU and the rest of the world and get us much better deals than we probably deserve.

As for UKIP - if they are to be involved, please let it be Douglas Carswell, who seems to me to be basically a decent, humane person.

Oh goody, we stand united with the French far right. What lovely company we keep.

God, I'm so ashamed of this country right now.

Incidentally, both sides were guilty of smear, fear, and dishonest tactics.

To read those gloriously unbiased journals, the Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express etc.etc.etc., you'd think only one side was doing it.

Claig: it is a farce.

The people have not spoken, they were led like lambs to slaughter. They were lied to, exploited, manipulated and they will suffer consequences that they have no comprehension of.

In 20 years the people will "speak" and they will remember this, in our history books and people like you will pretend they voted to remain out of the utter shame of it.

FrankH - all political campaigns are guilty of that.

The problem was threat Brexit ONLY had that. They had nothing else.

Bremain had all the facts on their side and that has now been admitted by both sides.

I think they did it deliberately to help Project Fear and I think they caused unnecessary fear in doing so.

concentration camps were hidden in the country and the good German people, while watching Hitler speak and rouse their national pride had no idea millions of Jews were being exterminated.

Never bemoan the "fear" created by us being made aware of what goes on in the streets of our country.

FrankH, Farage was very pleased big beast like Gove and Boris joined the Leave side because he knew that the BBC and the media would treat him as a racist and that they couldn't do that to Boris and Gove. Farage knew that the Establishment would never allow him a large role in it because then Leave would win. They marginalised him and most of the Leavers did not want to appear with him on platforms etc.

Leave were losing in the polls on the economy and it was only when they switched to Farage's main point of an Australian points based imigration system etc that they began to regain the lead.

Boris and Gove were brilliant and they did win it and Farage was kept out of most of it.

I am not keen on Boris because I don't think he has many principles and will do nearly whatever it takes to win.

'As for UKIP - if they are to be involved, please let it be Douglas Carswell, who seems to me to be basically a decent, humane person.'

Yes, that is what Carswell wants. I prefer Farage because I think Farage will drive a tougher deal because he has fought for it for over 20 years and I think his principles on that are firmer than Carswell's, but the Establishment won't let Farage anywhere near it as it will win him votes, so I think it will be Carswell, who is also good.

Claig, can you explain why Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson aren't The Establishment?

There was need for Nigel to put the boot in about how useless most of the MEP's are. Now is the time for healing not rubbing it in.

Never listened to Marine Le Pen before I thought she spoke very well, from the heart, Vive Le France!

'Claig, can you explain why Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson aren't The Establishment?'

Boris is, Farage isn't.

The Establishment is the power. Servants of the Establishment serve it i.e. they do what the power wants. Outsiders do not go along with its wishes.

The Establishment wanted to stay in the EU, farage has always opposed that which is why they dislike him.

Boris serves the Establishment but at the last minute he switched allegiance and opposed them in order to grab a chance of gaining popular support to become PM. They were angry at him, Sir Nicholas Soames said Boris was always pro EU and then he switched for his own gain. They are pissed off with him because they lost and he played a big part in that loss. But, as farage fears, Boris will probably do what they want eventually again and may stitch the people up.

As much as the Establishment dislikes Farage, Farage also dislikes them. He won't do what they want because of his principles. That is why he is the consummate outsider and anti-establishment politician.

"Farage’s final rallying call: ‘It’s us versus the Establishment - go and vote for Britain'

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/682304/EU-referendum-Ukip-Nigel-Farage-final-rally-tell-Britons-vote-for-your-country-Brexit

And of course that is what happened, we beat the Establishment and that has caused the biggest shock in world politics since the fall of the Berlin wall as Marine Le Pen said. We have started a revolution that will spread across Europe and the world. It is a truly historic event, a democratic revolution. The impact will be immense.

Elites across Europe and even the world are worried that they may also be toppled by populist revolutions. Trump is saying that Hillary called Brexit wrong and he called it right, and the biggest populist reellion in history is likely to happen in America in November. The whole world is about to change immeasurably and for the better, for the people.

claig
As I pointed out, Farage is the very last person who ought to be involved in any negotiations of Brexit. It's not a questions of his particular politics, but his arrogant, abrasive, thuggish personality.

Although politics are important, it's basic attitude which is more fundamental for me. When looking at Farage, at his speeches etc., it usually strikes me that he is appealing to the darker, more primitive side of human nature. Carswell gives the opposite impression. His politics are clearly similar to Farage's, but if it's involvement in tricky negotiations where bravado and bluster are not enough, I'd rather have Carswell any day.

As for Boris, I agree with you. He is a chancer with very few principles. But, as I said, a chancer and a con-man may be what we need at present.

On the other hand, he might just turn out to have fooled us all, and become our greatest leader since Sir Winston.

But I'm not putting any hopes on it.

Incidentally, you seem to have a thing about the "Establishment". Well, if there are any true anti-Establishment figures around at the moment, they are not such as Farage and Johnson. Carswell might be, as are Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway - whose political views I largely disagree with, although he was very good in the Scottish Independence debate.

The man was ridiculous in that speech.

Even the Lithuanian commissioner was laughing in the background.

I wouldn't Boris as far as I could spit.

He wants to be PM, that is all.

"The whole world is about to change immeasurably and for the better, for the people."

But what "people"?

they all nod in agreement.

Specsavers. That should do it.

What has Farage produced, btw?

Public school boy, commodities trader. He's not the people anymore than Trump (millionaire son of millionaire) is.

'It's not a questions of his particular politics, but his arrogant, abrasive, thuggish personality.'

FrankH, Farage and Juncker get on well together. Juncker is a smoker and heavy drinker, like Farage. Farage has a laugh and so does Juncker. Farage said he would far rather have a pint with Juncker than with Cameron.