To think Juncker is an arrogant fucker

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I was/am a staunch remainer and, like many, am shell shocked at the result. IMO leaving the EU is quite frankly a disaster for this country's economy. The harsh truth is we simply don't have enough desirable commodity to be able to trade on the world stage that puts us in a strong position to negotiate favourable terms.

But I watched in horror at Juncker's speech on the eve of the referendum with his bully boy stance and tactics - which has only intensified since the result.

The best result the UK can hope for now is that Brexit will cause a domino effect which means the entire EU will be forced to reform under a new president and government.

The Czech Republic has now spoken out, criticising Juncker and calling for his resignation. It's a long shot but let's just hope and pray that other countries follow suit.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661277/Blame-Juncker-Brussels-chief-told-stands-Britain-voted-against-quit.html Apparently there are now calls for Juncker to quit as it is recognised he is part of the reason people voted Leave. He is refusing to step down though of course.

I've posted this elsewhere but I really struggle with how blinkered some Leave voters are to how the UK is viewed in the EU. For years the UK has taken a 'one foot out the door' approach to matters at an EU level. Now it's finally decided to leave its unbelievable to me how the UK wants to dictate terms and hold the EU effectively to ransom while it debates what exactly if wants to do and when. The U.K. isnt so important that it should be allowed to turn its back on the EU and then wreck havoc over stability and economic issues by dragging its feet on leaving. It's decided to go so now it's time to get on with it. That is what is arrogant, not the approach taken by EU leaders to get things moving to put an end to all the uncertainty.

Got to say that think Tony Blairs arrogance today isn't helping the remain side at all either. Or helping labour.

Wish he would fuck off.

It's not arrogant to be dragging our feet, personally I think we shouldn't hang around any longer than we need to as the decision has been made, but as I said before if the EU wanted leaver states to go quickly they should have stipulated a timescale in the Article. They didn't so they cannot force us whatever Mr Juncker might think.

The U.K. isnt so important that it should be allowed to turn its back on the EU - what do you mean by ALLOWED? Of course the UK should be allowed to leave! As for dictating terms, it's clear we have never been able to do that, we've barely had a say. The arrogance of the EU (in my opinion) is nothing to do with what has happened since the referendum, look at the way they treated Greece! They are a disgusting organisation who are power crazy.

Junker and his complete disdain for the UK was the reason I voted to leave the EU. Nothing to do with immigration (In fact I welcome immigration. If it wasn't for foreign born doctors and nurses me and my DD wouldn't be here). My vote to leave was based on the fact that I believe that while Junker et al are at the helm of the EU, no reforms can ever be made and the U.K. Can never be taken seriously. The best that I can hope for is that Brexit will bring the whole of the EU tumbling down, and only then can we start again and make some real progress with our neighbours

The U.K. isnt so important that it should be allowed to turn its back on the EU - what do you mean by ALLOWED?

Please don't selectively quote me, there is a whole other part of that sentence that you deliberately left out. If you want to pick a fight over the word allowed then substitute 'if it should choose' doesn't change the meaning of what I was saying.

And I have no issue with the U.K. choosing to leave. I do think it's very arrogant to decide to no longer be a member and then want to dictate everything that happens subsequently. There are all the other members to consider too, not just what is in the UK's (and only the UK) best interests.

I used to work for the European Commission and I agree with you 100% OP. He is an odious, unelected bureaucrat. He is dismissive and not all that far removed from a dictator. He and his cronies - aware that the UK don't have a contingency plan, are now pushing for the UK to leave immediately. He would love to see us float further up shit creek without so much as a paddle. He should be the first to go imo.

He and his cronies - aware that the UK don't have a contingency plan, are now pushing for the UK to leave immediately

Bit remiss to take such a massive decision without a contingency plan I would think.

But it is not therefore the fault of the electorate who were mislead during the campaign. IDS went back on his 350million NHS statement and there's also been some backtracking on the reducing immigration claim. Boris - the epitome of the Leave campaign has now come out proclaiming that our ties with Europe will never disintegrate and we'll always be part of Europe. Unless he is speaking geographically then he knows he's lead us into a shit storm.

I agree with your last post Adrenaline. I don't agree that the fault for that lies with the EU. That would seem to be an issue for Leave campaign leaders.

I don't think the decision should be ignored or fudged in a way that we remain, but I do agree with the premise of this thread that Juncker, Shulz et al are arrogant fuckers. Shocking from a man that actually did once gain a democratic mandate from the people of Luxembourg - perhaps there's something in the water over at EU headquarters.

I think this man is a danger to the uk. I think though that we ain't going to leave the eu any time soon if the remain supporters have their way. I feel very sad for our future.

That's interesting Adrenaline. I rather assumed that he wanted us to leave given the very different vision that the UK had for the direction of the EU as compared to Junker and the comparative influence that we had in putting that position. Getting rid of a powerful, populous, sceptical, non-Euro country would benefit him. That plus the animosity over our objection to his appointment. I thought the bullying speeches before were probably delivered in the full knowledge that it would benefit the leave side. Do you think there is any truth in that?

I think arrogance is a feature on both sides. The U.K.'s approach to the EU certainly isn't blameless in that respect.

Like the man said, power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Also, although I don't think he said this, being an arrogant fucker is helpful on your way up the ladder.

Agree with music -
Juncker is anti-democratic (cba to find the exact quotes) but basically he has said really shocking things ...like questioned over something he said yes it will cause harm but do you think I'd be stupid enough to draw attention to that and about doing things in secret and that democracy was a mill stone...
And he wants an Eu superstate and he wants an EU army...
He is the most powerful person in the EU...
He is just one man - but he was chosen - proposed by the EU council and elected by parliament - and if you look how he got the job it is all a bit murky - not corrupt but politically driven, people looking after their interests and holding grudges against others. Parliament were given a choice (but the parties vote in blocks) but they couldn't chose who they got to vote on...
That's why we are better off in the long run not involved.. someone like that got that top job to keep someone else in their place...what?
Nothing to do with what was best for the EU. It couldn't be reformed from within.
What remainers voted for now is not what the EU is going to look like in the near future. It is too big, too powerful, too bureaucratic, not transparent enough. And it is fragile with the southern economies in a mess propped up the net contributors (like the UK).
I think the best thing would be if it came tumbling down and we all started again just as a true trading partnership -but sadly don't think that is going to happen...

Agree Floisme - beggars belief!

I agree Tess, without the UK's scepticism and comparative influence then getting us out removes obstacles to an ever closer union. It's no secret that Cameron didn't want him to get the top job of EC president. And he must have known that his bullying speeches would benefit the Leave camp. I'd rather have Barroso back or even Tusk than another term with Juncker at the helm.

Just shows you what they really think of us.

We are pawns no more than that !!

Hardly pawns Grassgreen, the U.K. has voted to leave. In what way does that make the UK a pawn, because the EU wants to move more quickly on this than the UK does?

getting us out removes obstacles to an ever closer union

Getting us out? The U.K. voted to leave for goodness sake. It was a choice!

Cameron asked them to give us something he could go back with to the uk to put our minds at rest regarding our britex issues.

He junker refused. They see us as pawns that would yield to his every word.

Or I should have said: Now that we've left, paves a smoother way towards ever closer union.

Juncker doesn't give a shit about the Remainers at all. This is the best possible outcome for him. I'm not absolving the Leave campaign politicians of responsibility. In fact I think Cameron has a lot to answer for but if we're talking about the attitude the EU leaders have about us (not the Council, specifically Juncker) now then I think he's rubbing his hands in glee.