"Because they keep coming over here taking our jobs!"

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Did anybody see this on the BBC news when a woman who looked to be about 80 uttered this phrase when asked why she had voted Leave.

Was I the only one to have seen the irony in the fact that as she said this she was having her nails done by an immigrant in a nail bar?

I think what most people mean is that immigrants numbers affect everything. To all those remainers moaning, don't complain when your child can't get a place at any of their choice school, or you have to wait weeks even months to get a referral app at a hospital. People numbers rising affect everything and some kind of control is needed. The government and David Cameron failed to do anything so the sensible British people did it instead.

This in a nutshell.

I work as a GP and some days 60-70% of consultations are via translators. I run late, get bogged down in trying to translate prescriptions and hospital letters and patients get fed up. They can't get appointments, have the receptionists in tears and look round the waiting room to see who has.

I am there to work so it bothers me not who I see but there are only so many hours in the day and days in the week.

There is a thread here every few days about how poor GP access is. If the Government wanted to ensure a Remain victory they should have been addressing frontline shortages in healthcare and education years ago. These are often the only place people encounter immigrants so of course they shape opinion.

Equally the companies apparently relying on immigrant workers should have been providing adequate occupational health support so that health service time is not taken up writing daft letters to cover 2 days absence because their workers run the risk of getting sacked without them. And providing physiotherapy for people who suffer as a result of doing tough physical jobs over long periods of time.

I heard someone on R4 yesterday lamenting the 'fact' that we are going to lose a 'superb NHS' - almost choked - I have never heard it described like this before!

except I will moan because I get that these things are much more to do with austerity and government cuts than with immigrants

I am fucking angry at the continuous stripping of the public sectors funding - I have no issue with people coming here

"Was I the only one to have seen the irony in the fact that as she said this she was having her nails done by an immigrant in a nail bar?

that is NOT , it is the OP's point!!"

It is ironic because she's happy to use the convenient, cheap services of nail bars run by immigrants.

Worrying that she wasn't shy to say it to the woman's face. I guess it's acceptable now

No Mimsy - I disagree. IF the vote was 60-40 for eg to Remain we would not be having racists Leaver thugs attacking people who are non-white skinned or are E European or W European - essentially non AngloSaxon - and telling them "We won - get out!"

It is ironic because she's happy to use the convenient, cheap services of nail bars run by immigrants.

because her cheap labour has put the British ones out of business!

I would say the 'remainers' are doing tremendous harm to the country by

1. trying to override democracy
2. talking as though the sky is going to fall down.The markets work on CONFIDENCE.Talking Britain down is not helping!!

Not compulsory to buy nail grooming services from cheapest supplier. People want cheap goods & services, but then complain about them. Sheesh.

) trying to override democracy

I'll repeat again, the petition process is part of democracy. This was a close vote, if you think its going to stop with a 4% vote either way you were much mistaken. Farage said the same prior to the vote. Basically you are sayig "we won now you can't have a say." Not democratic, essentially you are trhying to use the referendum in the same dictatorships used to.

2. talking as though the sky is going to fall down.The markets work on CONFIDENCE.Talking Britain down is not helping!!

The Prime minister has resigned and is not invoking article 50, the Leave camp have no plan, the opposition is turmoil, the pound has fallen on the first day, the markets only recovered with the promise of cheap money from the BOE.

Panic, nah? We're not in a chaotic state at all, worse still we have made the markets and political situations of our biggest trading partners unstable.

Further to this the big campaign promises are being withdrawn day by day, people feel conned, people voted in protest without really knowing what this was about.

Time to panic? Nahh, everything is fine.

I can't believe hows stupid your post is.

and "democratically" the referendum was advisory..

Areas with the highest levels of immigration voted to REMAIN

Because they see the benefits

There is a massive difference in the type of immigration you see in London and the type you see in a deprived, already suffering small town.

I live in Rotherham which has had more than its fair share of controversy and misery related to immigration.

In certain areas of Rotherham you have areas and estates that are.made up predominantly of eastern European migrants. The areas were run down to start with. Now they are much, much worse. Extreme poverty, very few English speakers, overcrowding, lessons laid on by the local council in a disused industrial unit (the irony!) On how to 'be british', a roma speaking PC patrolling around, aggression against each other, aaggressive behaviour towards other races, plus a long list of anti social behaviour and petty crime.

This is in an area that was previously occupied by a strong Muslim PakistanI community that rubbed along with the.locals who were mainly ex steel workers or in local industry. Not a social housing estate.

My bil was from that estate and he and my sister lived there for 5 years before moving. The house he inherited and owns outright is empty. He can't sell it because it is pretty worthless and he can't rent it out because only eastern Europeans want to live there. But there is a huge problem with rent not being paid and property being damaged and overcrowding in the properties.

And I know because I worked in lettings in the area.

So don't tell people like my sister and bil that there is no problem with immigration. Because there is. It's just conveniently hidden from view because no one has dared say anything because if you do you are racist.

That's why the leave vote happened. Because enough of these problems are happening up and down the country and no one actually listens or cares enough to do anything.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075

it's not good is it?

"So don't tell people like my sister and bil that there is no problem with immigration. Because there is. It's just conveniently hidden from view because no one has dared say anything because if you do you are racist. "

I can and will. The "other" grouping of the population of Rotherham is counted as 3.2% , or 8, 224.

You know what I hate? Anecdotal evidence from people on here going "I know" well you know why we have data? So we can discuss issues without preconcived predjudice.

The areas with the highest immigration voted to remain, the areas with low levels voted to leave.

The facts are there, and I think you have just proved which camp you are in.

Cristiane Is that true though?

Boston topped the Brexit poll. "Boston saw 75.6% of voters back withdrawing from the EU"
Source: BBC

"According to the 2011 Census, Boston is now home to a higher proportion of eastern European immigrants than anywhere else in England and Wales: 10.6 per cent of the town’s population of 65,000 comes from one of the “new” EU countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or Romania."
Source: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html

The politicians and liberals ignored this timebomb.

PanEuropeanPan "IF the vote was 60-40"
I was thinking more if the result was close, but reversed. I remember Farage's speech when he thought he'd lost. No conciliation there. As there isn't now, of course.

Just to back me up, from Rotherham council's own data

" It follows that 91.9% of Rotherham residents are White British."

So your significant Asian population and EU nations (including Irish)

Accounts for 20, 810 people in an area that has a population of 257,000 or so.

HTH

Smallfox statistics are just that statistics. They are numbers and figures and percentages. They aren't real life stories. Or a true reflection of what is actually happening.

I firmly and 100% believe immigration is good for the UK. My dps life has been saved twice by immigrants. My dd was delivered by an immigrant. My epidural was performed by an immigrant. My old boss and a truly awe inspiring man was an immigrant. The best neighbours I ever had were immigrants. I have worked for and worked with and had immigrants work for me. My loverly and very skilled vet is an immigrant.

I understand the statistics and the figures and the numbers.

But they don't explain the human stories. They don't tell you what happens when you get eu funding to a town to rehouse 800 immigrant families. And 400 are rehoused in 1 small area that is already on the bones of its arse.

Google Paige Hall at Sheffield. It doesn’t go as far as is necessary and unless you have been through it you can't appreciate it fully.

smallfox It's attitudes like yours that led to the Leave vote. Why can't you accept that some people have had problems from the migrant population

There is a problem for some people. I've had problems from migrant workers. The ones in our village aren't on any population count! They aren't in proper accommodation.

The young man I was talking to the other day said he'd worked out his landlord was getting £1k a week in rent from them, and not paying tax on it. He wasn't happy about it, but the council don't do anything. I know, because I've spent hours trying to get their accommodation improved.

On a percentage terms, perhaps 5% of our village are grouped as "others", but those 5% don't include these migrants. They include people born overseas who have a mortgage, are struggling to make ends meet, and who voted Brexit because of all the problems of faeces etc from the exploited migrants!

If only the politicians had recognised this, and listened to the problems, instead of denying it. And now we have Brexit.

*Areas with the highest levels of immigration voted to REMAIN

Because they see the benefits*
Cristiane
NOT true. Boston and South Holland had high turn outs and the highest levels of leave voters. Coincidentally (!) they have experienced some of the highest levels of eu immigration due to jobs on the land and in factories. These voters are normal people with a wide range of income and educational levels just like people in other areas. Has anyone stopped to think why exactly these areas had such high levels of leave votes? It's not racism.
People have families,friends and work colleagues from the EU, and most have no problem with migration as such. The problem is the sheer volume settling in these areas over a small period of time without the services to cope. In fact I know many EU people who have been here up to 10years who feel enough is enough and there simply is not room for any more in this rural area!

The problem then is not immigration but Tory austerity is it not ?

Where is the increased funding from these immigrants taxes paid in these areas? Where is the extra funding paid for by the businesses they support with their custom and labour?

I understand people have had problems with immigration, but I think the constrant refrains of "over run" etc are dubious when even in Boston its 13% of the population.

If there are migrants who wouldn't appear on any data cause they live in crap accomodation and are exploited, would you expect that to stop with leaving the EU?

Immigrants get a lot of the blame for societies problems when it is not really their fault. And now people have been so short sighted to vote out on an issue which is unlikely to change, however much they were told.

Note today, the phrase "take control" appears to be have been crafted so they didn't have to say "cut".

Additionally given the thread title I feel I should mention there is not a massive unemployment problem,at least in south Holland. The EUs have settled here due to the amount of jobs available. In my experience people generally rub along quite well together, and the children who have gone though primary together know no difference. I hope this doesn't change but fear it will. There are of course good and bad, as there are within the English population, and also those that make an effort to integrate and those that don't which may affect things for some.
There is a large older population here who better remember the area before and I wonder whether that counts for the high level of leave voters.

Christiane, most immigrants to this country were not allowed to vote in the referendum 🙄🙄🙄

smallfox I agree. I think our area has greatly improved by migration in many ways. People of Boston may forget, but the local hospital was due to close due before the rival of the Eastern Europeans. It is now very busy, but importantly open! Our town centres were dead and full of boarded up shops. I much prefer the busy town we have now, although some complain the ne shops are Eastern European. I use them though and find the shop keepers friendly and most are not actually owned by Eastern Europeans , instead by local English business owners who saw a gap in the market!
I believe the high portion of leave votes would not have happened in this area if the government had recognised the issues from high levels of migration in a short Time and increased services (police funding, schools, roads, Transport) .

Also, just to feedback, my DM lives in an old industrial town in the North East, now the North East has lots of EU funding and low levels of immigration but voted out. Guess what their big gripe was?

What about the Welsh Valleys? Not many Eastern Europeans there, what about Cornwall? Na not there either.

Some areas like Boston "talk" of being over run, but really its 10.6 % in a population of 58,124.

So 5,812 people. Take them off and there would be a populaton of 52, 312.

Now you see the real reason for all of this is they are a slightly sizeable minority. When they are in the queue in front of you at the GP you think: " If she wasn't here it would be me next.", when they live slightly closer to the school than you so get in when their is a year that has lots of siblings etc you think: "If they hadn't been here then my child would have got their place." When there is bad behaviour, and a PP admitted the estate she was talking about was run down, but its comitted by an immigrant you think: "If they weren't here that wouldn't happen." When they set up shops, speak in their own language etc.

It isn't actually that immigration is the problem, but the fact that you notice it more because it is an immigrant and then blame it on all immigrants and immigration.

"The problem then is not immigration but Tory austerity is it not ? "
In my view, yes. And if the Tories do nothing, and Labour says nothing (except calls those who complain racists), people vote Brexit.

"Where is the increased funding from these immigrants taxes paid in these areas? Where is the extra funding paid for by the businesses they support with their custom and labour?"
Eh? The reason these people employ migrants under the minimum wage is because they aren't the sort of people to pay genuine taxes.

"If there are migrants who wouldn't appear on any data cause they live in crap accomodation and are exploited, would you expect that to stop with leaving the EU?"
I wouldn't, but that's what Leave claimed. And Corbyn, instead of saying Labour would help people affected, just implied people with genuine concerns were racist. Actually, Smallfox, so did you. Can you see now that there is actually a problem? And that those with the problem aren't (necessarily) racists?

"Immigrants get a lot of the blame for societies problems when it is not really their fault. And now people have been so short sighted to vote out on an issue which is unlikely to change, however much they were told. "
Totally agree.

"It isn't actually that immigration is the problem, but the fact that you notice it more because it is an immigrant and then blame it on all immigrants and immigration."
Eh? I notice it because they are the only group in our village with no loos, so they defecate on the verge and footpaths. Because they are taken advantage of by the landlord. Sadly, there just isn't enough accommodation around here for them to get anything else. I did ask the council to rehouse them. Do you think the council even thought there was a problem. No, they were in denial.

I am the granddaughter of a refugee, so I am by upbringing very pro migrant. I don't think the rest of the village is as tolerant.

I don't blame the migrants smallfox I blame the policy makers that put them there.

Many people in small towns think 'why us?'.

How many homes in Islington or Chelsea or on in other affluent areas have 10 Romanian 20 something year old men who work cash in hand at a car wash living in them? Or 3 families of 6 with no (legitimately) working parents.

So 10% of the population of Boston is from immigration. Stick 8% of that into an area designed to accommodate 2% of that number and you have problems.

And we know there is a housing shortage in the UK. Reduce the population by 10% and I bet the housing shortage is reduced.

Schools oversubscribed? Take 10% off, is that better?

Waiting times for an nhs of 5 days for a gp appointment (if you are lucky). Take 10% off and you see a doctor this week.

I don't agree with all of the above. The problem is much more complex than that. But you can see why leave and reduce immigration was a successful spin line for some.

In Rotherham the authorities ignored a massive racial problem for years so as not to be accused of racism. It was a very small % of Muslim pakistani/of pakistani origin men that abused white, English school girls for an awful long time. The small % doesn't mean it didn't cause a significant and horrendous amount of grief and misery for a significant amount of families.