"Because they keep coming over here taking our jobs!"

[LookAtMeGo]

Did anybody see this on the BBC news when a woman who looked to be about 80 uttered this phrase when asked why she had voted Leave.

Was I the only one to have seen the irony in the fact that as she said this she was having her nails done by an immigrant in a nail bar?

[Honeyandfizz]

Paneuropeanpan What about in places like Merthyr Tydfil where they have the highest number of working age people claiming benefits? This is historical so way before migration to the area really began, its generations of work shy people scrounging off the state (and no i am not saying every single person there is work shy just a huge proportion). Good for those migrants now in that area doing jobs that locals cant be arsed to do.

Some stupid woman was being interviewed on Central news the other night, she said "I am glad we are out its about time this country got rid of immigrants and got back to normal". WTF do you stay to people like this?

[FoggyBottom]

Most of the things people said they were voting Leave for were national policy issues, and brought about because of the Tory party policy of austerity.


And as I heard someone say on the radio the other day, about migrants (often British subjects but brown) "They are here, because we were there."

We live in a global, international world - always have, and no amount of Brexiteering wishful thinking will change that.

[Hoppinggreen]

I saw a man in Barnsley being interviewed yesterday who said he had voted leave " to stop all the Muslims coming in"
When asked how exactly Brexit would achieve this he didn't know
Someone else I know. Opted leave because " you didn't hear English spoken in Boston any more" they didn't live near Boston or had ever been.
Someone else voted leave to" stop importing foreign nurses when people here couldn't get a job as a nurse". I've never met a Polish nurse.

[PanEuropeanPan]

Honey - I'm agreeing with you. Above I was exercising the first argument against the OP.

Stupid woman? Say that Britain has always relied on people and goods from other countries - as an Empire and as a modern-day trader. Asking her to point to when Britain didn't do this.

And do it gently!

So outside of the EU we face unfavourable trade arrangements - all prices rise, we are more vulnerable in slump times and workers protections will be done away with.

[ShanghaiDiva]

And here are just some of the consequences for travel
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/what-would-brexit-mean-for-travellers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM132638&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Tra_New_26Jun&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DM132638&noLightbox=true&email=travelcommerce_2016_06_26Edi_Tra_New_26JunDM132638&utm_content=Edi_Tra_New_26Jun

[WallisSimpson11]

There's talk of a countrywide strike by immigrant workers- it will be interesting to see how this affects services.

[PanEuropeanPan]

Well most of that article asks questions and concludes "we don;t know yet"

I did pick up from bbc website that we currently have 12-20 experienced trade negotiators in Whitehall - we didn't need more due to the EU. Civil servant seniors reckon as a go-it-alone country we will need about 200. Job creation due to Brexit!!

[ShanghaiDiva]

sorry - should have said potential consequences!

[CodyKing]

Unfortunately UK government have out priced our children on education. Their should be opportunities for British kids to receive the training and education for skill shortages. I for one am fed up at being told our children are not good enough to fill the gaps - they are - we need a government to support them .

Why isn't nursing for example a 'free' degree? Whyaren't they looking at teachers working conditions so our children want to be teachers?

[PanEuropeanPan]

Shanghai - The Sun encouraged a Brexit vote - then on Saturday explained to their readership how it will very negatively affect their lives, including travel.

having said that, anything that prevents a Sun reader from traveling must have some merit...

[MaddyHatter]

its the businesses that are at fault, however, it DOES happen.

My DH's company did it. DH is a qualified Welder with 20yrs experience and was earning £15ph for his skilled work.

Within 12 months of his Employer starting to employ polish people on half my DH's wage they were trying to make him and his colleagues signs new contracts on lower wages, also when redundancies were having to be made, it was the lower paid Polish workers who were getting the available jobs on other lines before the British workers who were union members.

We don't blame the Polish workers, we blame his Employers, but the fact of the matter is, my H was made redundant after 20yrs service while polish workers who were being paid less and had less qualifications (ie, none!) kept their jobs with the company because they were given priority in being moved into open positions elsewhere in the factory..

Its THAT kind of thing people are talking about when they say 'they're coming over here and taking our jobs'

[lljkk]

I was thinking that, PEP. I have science expertise across multiple disciplines. Could be a job opportunity in the offing...

[GraceGrape]

The anti-immigration rhetoric has become unbelievably ingrained and the perception of EU immigration is completely muddled. I was seriously told by a colleague on Friday that she had voted Leave because "we've got to stop all these people coming over here beheading people".

[Valentine2]

There goes your £350 million to the NHS. The fucker is totally positioning himself for PM.
metro.co.uk/2016/06/26/now-iain-duncan-smith-has-made-u-turn-on-350m-for-the-nhs-5967402/

[joeythenutter]

I'm delighted with the result. I think what most people mean is that immigrants numbers affect everything. To all those remainers moaning, don't complain when your child can't get a place at any of their choice school, or you have to wait weeks even months to get a referral app at a hospital. People numbers rising affect everything and some kind of control is needed. The government and David Cameron failed to do anything so the sensible British people did it instead.

[Valentine2]

Not to mention this gem!! I laughed my head off at the guy who thought all the immigrants coming here are making me the land of UK sink. No idiot! It's the sheer weight of your stupidity that is now going o take you down, why should we go down with your ignorant arse??

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/11/barking-vote-leave-eu-labour-queen-birthday-parties

[Valentine2]

nutter
Any figures to support your claim? Or did you too just believed Farahe/IDS/Johnson posters on the sides of buses?

[SlicedFog]

They do suppress wages and undercut though

They - Really? So we're stuffed full of immigrants begging to work shit jobs for 12p an hour and live in rubbish conditions? Or, are "they" being exploited by gangmasters who take their passports and their wages and pay them a shitty percentage and give them horrible living conditions? And/or exploited by companies who have realised they can pay immigrant staff less as they won't/can't kick up a fuss, so why pay a british person national living wage when you can hire cheap workers who can't kick up a fuss. (No union. Language barrier. Hugely reduced rights.)*

*Source - living in East Anglia, family working in veg companies (multiple). V proud that family member stood up for eastern european workers and busted as many gangmasters as possible to reinstate workers on proper wages. This situation may not apply to other areas like building etc, but please do not be so blinkered as to think a large majority are are undercutting by choice .

[IAmTheWhoreOfBabylon]

You do realise it is caused by under investment in our public services don't you
A decision made by a right wing government who would choose privatised and paid for services if it were not political suicide

[IAmTheWhoreOfBabylon]

That was to joey

[SlicedFog]

The government and David Cameron failed to do anything so the sensible British people did it instead

The Leave politicians are also going to do mothing about immigration numbers, and as they will likely be tory will do nothing to improve the infrastructure which they have already failed to upkeep, causing this problem in the first place.

Where the HELL were people like you in the general elections? Instead you've spunked away a vote on an outcome that will damage exactly what you want to improve.

[lougle]

I had this conversation with my parents last night. My Dad is a leave voter; I'm remain. He believes the immigration rhetoric, but has also adopted rescue dogs from....Spain. So I (very naughtily) had a chat with his dog last night that went something like this:

"Hello Lucy, lovely girl. How are you? Aren't you lucky to have such a lovely home here? Of course, some people would say that you shouldn't have been adopted, because you're an immigrant, from the EU. There are plenty of dogs from Great Britain who need homes and we should look after our own. As an immigrant, you've stolen one of their homes, really, darling. But, if course, you do have an EU passport so you do have every right to live anywhere in the EU you like. It's funny, isn't it, how we can have different views about our human immigrants and doggy immigrants?."

I doubt my parents realise that we'll still have free passage of EU citizens as part of future trade deals - that's the reason many people voted out.

[joeythenutter]

This govenment must make regulations and rules for our people and business. We do not need to be regulated by a bunch of people who no nothing about our country, who squander millions of our money. I did not vote for a Tory government but this vote needs to send a message to them what the people want and need. This country is quite able to look after itself, rule itself and work for itself. Now all quite your moaning and get a bloody grip.

[smallfox1980]

The country seems not to be capable of it at the moment joey. The government of this country wanted to override lots of things that have made things better for workers. This country doesn't operate alone and in any trade agreement there is compromise, we were never dictated to.

Oh and I won't shut up. Democracy see.

[Hoppinggreen]

joey in our area the majority of immigrants are NOT from EU countries.
I would rather have 10 hard working decent European Immigrants who ( generally) speak good English than 10 people who come here from outside Europe don't learn English despite living here for over 20 years and rely on benefits.