To think that the infighting following the Brexit .......

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Is going to cause far more harm then the vote itself?

The mudslinging, the accusations, families falling apart and no longer speaking.

It's happened, we're out. So what next?

Shall we all just sit here and weep and turn our hatred towards those that voted a different way?

We live in a great country and have so much to be proud of. Our amazingly diverse culture is often the envy of the rest of the world and the vote to leave will not change that, or at least it shouldn't if we don't let it.

Our every move is now being scrutinised by the rest of the world so can we please stop with the nastiness I'm looking at you remainers and focus our energies on coming together and moving forward?

Surfjet you can make fun all you like but my post is factually accurate.

But I didn't say that I believed that all of them were racist idiots, I am sure they're not, I am sure that some of them had the best of intentions, I just don't know any of them in RL and they're not the kind of people I could ever align with and make the best of things with as their reasons are all racism and anger driven.

Sorry, Nicki. I didn't mean that to imply that you had said as much. I was trying to sidestep the reaction others (and myself) have had on other threads.

However... you do think they are all racist, or so you said there I just don't know any of them in RL and they're not the kind of people I could ever align with and make the best of things with as their reasons are all racism and anger driven.

Totally agree OP.

It's like the remainers are so bitter about losing, they want the country to fail just so they can be proved right.

Totally fucked up.

I love this country and am proud of it and want it to succeed. I voted Leave but expected to lose, and would never have posted vitriolic diatribes on social media like the retainers all are. I'd have kept my head down and hoped things would work out ok.

I'm sick of their shitty, childish behaviour.

The Tory majority isn't that stable or large. I don't think they'll make it to 2020

"I love this country and am proud of it and want it to succeed."

Ah! Another Leave voter! Perhaps you can tell us what's meant to happen now? I mean, presumably you all had a better idea than an optimistic "Something Happens"?

You see, your leaders aren't telling us. They give the very worrying impression that they don't actually know and didn't plan for any of this. You can therefore understand some of the panic that has resulted, can't you?

No Tanith... our leaders aren't telling us anything much. Our leaders are giving the worrying impression that they'd rather run away and hide from us than stand up and talk to us.

IDS has been quite vocal this morning, some interesting information, BBC catch up, Andrew Marr show!

A little bit of politicians arguing is like a speck of dust compared to the desert we find ourselves in having voted to leave. If we don't leave now there will be terrible unrest. If we don leave our world standing and economy will plummet

I don't know anyone in either camp who wants the country to fail. The unease is being compounded by the apparant implosion of the government and lack of anyone offering a road map or reassurance for what happens next. At the very least, Gove and Boris are coming across as irresponsible and uncaring. Now is not the time for a statesmanlike withdrawal into dignified silence. Jubilant crowing is clearly out of place when half the country feel that they've had their identity ripped away, but some kind of constructive commentary would be helpful.

I don't think YABU OP. I have been horrified by some of the Logan's Run-type comments on my FB feed from people who are normally sensible and kind. I was fairly ambivalent about the result - being from a rural background in the Home Counties I had a sneaking feeling this might happen - but I am staying off social media because the mud-slinging is just so counter-productive and pointless.

A question for Remainers who are now seeking a second referendum... where was all the protesting about actually having a referendum in the first place? With hindsight I admit having the vote looks like a daft idea and the narrow majority in favour of Leave is almost the worst of all worlds. But I wasn't aware of there being much resistance to the idea in principle? Where were the protests when the referendum was announced? Or did you just expect to win? (In which case, why bother with a vote?)

I am genuinely not being goady and have no axe to grind - I am outside the UK at the moment. But it was a Leave/Remain vote so - all things being equal - a 50/50 chance of Leave. It seems like an overreaction to a foreseeable outcome must have been contemplated by even the most die-hard Remainerer.

Peace out

I have been horrified by some of the Logan's Run-type comments on my FB feed from people who are normally sensible and kind.

Sadly the hate speech is there on both sides, racist, ageist, or any other discriminatory speech, it is all nasty and reflects really badly on us all.

I want people to know I don't belong with that crowd. There is no "working together" for me, it's just enduring a country and society I have had foisted upon me.

But don't you see that's how many leave voters felt and have felt for decades? Their experience of life in the EU wasn't good. The only way through this is for remain to figure out why Remain's explanations, projections, experts, arguments, didn't reach 'that crowd' and led to more people wanting out of the EU than wanting to stay in. Dismissing them as sub human fools and their reasons as too morally disgusting to engage with is not going to do anything but entrench them more deeply in the very beliefs you say are wrong. Had that been done five years ago we might now not be in this situation.

Totally agree Blanche - it reminds me of what I think the Guardian used to call "the Jewish test". If you substitute the subject of your statement with "Jew" do you still feel comfortable saying it? (And in the case of the woman in question, who suggested that pensioners voting Leave "just die already", I would hope she did not.)

Grossly unedifying for all concerned.

I have just been subjected to some of that on another post!!! Weird that adults can be so angry that they show themselves up so badly. It is always possible to disagree without resorting to such crap!

Our amazingly diverse culture is often the envy of the rest of the world and the vote to leave will not change that

Things have changed. The fact is, many people saw this as the 'send the brown fuckers back' referendum, and they won, which validates what they are thinking. People I've know for years were suddenly emboldened to say dodgy things that mean I can't see them in the same way again. Nigel Farage is no longer a marginalized hate figure!

I've been reading international press, and we are not the envy of anyone right now. Some people are bewildered that the formerly famously tolerant UK is willing to implode their economy to keep a few thousand desperate refugees out. Aside from Marie Le Pen and Donald Trump (two other people we weren't nationally big fans of before) and their fans no-one is impressed with us. As my friend in the US said 'Nationalism is a hell of a drug.'

I just don't know any of them in RL and they're not the kind of people I could ever align with and make the best of things with as their reasons are all racism and anger driven.

Do you make the same pejorative judgements about complete strangers based on other beliefs they hold? Their choice of school or fashion? Their religious choices for example? Whether they're openly gay or not?

Or do you think it's ok to write off people you don't know because you don't like how they vote.

That would be a shame if we're all to build a new future together.

I've not been on social media. haven't hurled abuse at anyone and don't agree with people doing so. Claiming all remain voters are anti-democracy and bad losers is a sweeping generalisation.

I sincerely hope the worst case scenarios don't play out, I'd love it if my concerns proved to be wrong, but let's be honest it's not looking too good on the political side of things right now is it.

Claiming all remain voters are anti-democracy and bad losers is a sweeping generalisation. But not quite as personal and nasty as claiming all Leave voters are Trogladitic racists.

Having said that, it is all ridiculous and particularly unpleasant and, I would imagine, that many people have woken up wondering what new depths their friends, or anonymous forum posters, will have sunk to today - whichever way they voted!

I voted remain and I haven't fallen out with anyone, even though I am more than upset. I had to delete a cousin of mine from Facebook because of his disgusting racist rants, but that's it. No great loss, I never spoke to him anyway because I knew he was an idiot. The referendum confirmed it for me.

**The only strong, decisive national leader I can see is our First Minister.

She has a plan, she's keeping the nation (Scotland) informed of each step as she tries to steady the ship**.

Agree Eigg

It really does appear that nobody thought the vote would go the way it did, so nobody has a plan. If DC or Bojo had stepped up and given a clear timetable and clarified what exactly will happen next, I think people would be able to get their heads round it and start looking to the future. Instead all we have is uncertainty and infighting between the very people who should be coming up with answers.
I was a no in the last indyref; now I am looking at Westminster and thinking "do I really want to be part of that?" And the answer is no. If we get a second indyref I will be voting yes. Like her or loathe her, Nicola Sturgeon is the only political leader behaving like a responsible professional at the moment.**

No thanks. Didn't vote Conservative, didn't want a rederendum and don't want to play happy families with the EDL, the people shouting racist abuse on buses on Friday, or the people who voted on a lifetime decision because they wanted rid of David Cameron. I felt like I could pull together with people after the last general but I will never even pretend to be happy about this.

"But not quite as personal and nasty as claiming all Leave voters are Trogladitic racists."

A claim I've not made.

A vocal minority is doing what vocal minorities always do - and it would be the same if the vote had gone the other way. People have a right to articulate their disappointment and fears for the future, though let's be clear nobody should be hurling personal abuse at individuals.

Unfortunately if we're discussing why the vote went the way it did we are going to have to mention racism. I have relatives who support UKIP , who voted leave and who are, much as I love them dearly, racist. For some leave voters that will have been one of the deciding factors.

But surely this outcome was foreseen as an option? Where were the protests against having the vote in the first place?

It just seems that nobody (including the leaders of the Leave campaign) was prepared for this outcome. Which was always on the cards really, otherwise why have the vote at all?

I find this baffling tbh. Why allow the vote if it's as simple as "economic doomsday" if we Leave....seems rather remiss.

A claim I've not made. I didn't say you had, or didn't mean to.

I suspect that we are all reading slurs into each others posts at the moment. My apologies if my post made you feel I had put words in your mouth, I was actually agreeing with you and just wanted to add that neither side has been at all pleasant!

mirime that came out all stilted too, sorry