To think that the infighting following the Brexit .......

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Is going to cause far more harm then the vote itself?

The mudslinging, the accusations, families falling apart and no longer speaking.

It's happened, we're out. So what next?

Shall we all just sit here and weep and turn our hatred towards those that voted a different way?

We live in a great country and have so much to be proud of. Our amazingly diverse culture is often the envy of the rest of the world and the vote to leave will not change that, or at least it shouldn't if we don't let it.

Our every move is now being scrutinised by the rest of the world so can we please stop with the nastiness I'm looking at you remainers and focus our energies on coming together and moving forward?

focus our energies on coming together and moving forward?

Any ideas then on how we should be doing this? All I keep hearing from the Leave camp is how we should toughen up and get on with things but no one seems to be saying how. How does the person who is seriously worried about their job move forward? How does someone who is in the middle of a house purchase and can now see it all collapsing move forward?

Leaving has, at the very least, created a massive amount of uncertainty and fear for a lot of people. It would be great if we actually had something to 'focus our energy' on but we don't.

Thanks. It is nice to read some pp who are of the same mind. It now does not mater how anyone voted. We, as a country, need to get on with it.

There will be any number of golden opportunities that we could grasp.

There will be any number of dire consequences, that, if we act robustly, we could ameliorate.

It matters not what side you were on. We have a new reality, a new challenge... and many other new BizSpeak opportunities...

As many pundits have said... it won't be as good, bright, shiny and different as you hoped... nor will it be as bad, disastrous, end-of-times as you feared.

The spleen venting here is as saddening, gross and hate filled as the racist chanting, sloganeering and flag waving has been. Hopefully both camps are relatively small squeaky wheels and will soon just slide away, back behind the more sociable facade they usually hide behind.

It would be great if we actually had something to 'focus our energy' on but we don't Absolutely. That could be one of the opportunities. We might be able to restructure our political parties, we may be able to get back some real heart felt politicians, rather than the current plethora of professionals.

The best part of all of this is that the younger generation is now more politicised. So much has been covered in schools, so many first time voters voted with well thought out reasons, as much information as they could get. It doesn't mater of you agree with them or not. They are politically active and hopefully will continue to be so.

But that will depend on all parties realising that this vote is a reflection of what many people feel is their apparent contempt for the voting electorate. They MUST start communicating with us all, properly. Not in soundbites, slogans and part truths, but properly, with real data, regularly.

There is not oneNOT ONEdescription of these 'golden opportunities' and the 'positive future' (ie 'thinking about the long term) that leavers refer to which I have heard clearly articulated here on MN. That deeply, deeply worries me. Following such an important vote, if there were solid, convincing arguments in the leave camp, I would expect to be hearing them here. I'm not. As I said, that terrifies me.

I want to also addfor those who talk about 'half of the population' having voted remainyou need to also consider that all of us EU citizens, millions of us, longterm residents & workers in the UK, with families here, didn't get a say in this vote which concerns us and affects us much more than it does most british citizens. For most of us becoming citizens was never a priorityplus is expensive and bureaucraticas we were able to settle & work here without humiliating and lengthy paperwork. All this may now change. Plus the anti-immigrant speech is very VERY personal to all of us, regardless of what European country we come from, regardless of how many years we have been here. Don't tell us 'we didn't mean you'. Yes, you meant US, all of us. You are telling us you don't want us here, and just imagine for a moment how that feels.

It is a deeply, deeply unsettling time and I for one am not ready in any way to 'calm down' and 'move on'.

We're not "out". The referendum result isn't binding and could turn out to be nothing but an expensive opinion poll

Okaaaaaaaaay.

tiggytape but clearly we don't have 'strong leaders'. The chaos that has resulted after this referendum is just one of the dire consequences of this massive mistake. Because this is what this referendum has been: a massive massive mistake; ideally politicians will realise this before it's too late and leaving the EU will not go ahead.

How can people 'move on' when there is not only no plan, but o timetable and no leadership.

The Tories are panicking and Labour, rather than stepping into the vacuum are throwing themselves under a bus.

The only strong, decisive national leader I can see is our First Minister.

She has a plan, she's keeping the nation (Scotland) informed of each step as she tries to steady the ship.

I've never been so glad to live in Scotland. My siblings based down South are terrified for the future.

I disagree, but doubt that matters. I think there have been some interesting suggestions/views put forward, but that they have been drowned out by the double barrels of discrimination and fear - from both sides! Racism, ageism, name calling of all sorts is disgusting.

But that is the problem, isn't it? Not that MNers can't supply that information in a meaningful, detailed manner, but that our politicians cannot!

She has a plan, she's keeping the nation (Scotland) informed of each step as she tries to steady the ship She does sound far better than many English politicians.

Only one thing worries me and that is her insistance that Scotland could remain in the EU after a second referendum. From the Guardian, 2014:

The no side argued vigorously that an independent Scotland would not be automatically accepted as a new member of the European Union, backed by the European commission president, José Manuel Barroso, who said membership would be “extremely difficult, if not impossible”.

I am not sure that anything has changed and it would not be right to continue with such rhetoric if that is still the case.

Of course it's going to cause huge division. It's almost two years since the Indy Ref here in Scotland and there are still people with "yes" stickers in their windows and cars. It is the nastiest period I have ever been through living in Scotland and really did divide families and neighbours.

This referendum was even closer - 48/52 compared with the 45/55 in the Scottish referendum. Almost half the population are extremely pissed off. The mudslinging and nastiness will not stop.

It's all the same stuff all over again -setting up petitions, calling for another referendum, refusal to accept the result, calling people who did vote for leave stupid or unaware of the issues. We live in a democracy and have to accept the result.

Particularly disgusted with the Lib Dems who are running a "we are the 48" campaign to speak up for the minority - exactly the same thing happened in Scotland with a "we are the 45" group which quickly turned into a forum for the most extreme nastiness and hatred I've ever come across.

This is a time that we all need to pull together and just bloody get on with it.

Labour threw themselves under a bus when they elected JC as party leader. Another case of when it's not always a good idea to give everyone a vote.

That 'speech' he gave yesterday was an embarrassing ramble. He did beggar all in terms of campaigning for Remain, which he professed to support. It will be good for the party to elect an actual leader.

There is every chance there will be a general election next year. There are fixed term parliaments but elections can be held earlier if Parliament agrees.

The next PM will need a proper mandate, the one DC won last year is dead. There is the example of Brown bottling the GE in 2007 which he may well have won. Whoever is next PM will not want to be facing a GE in 2020 when the chances are Brexit is not quite sorted and there is still a recession.

All the labour party shadow cabinet stuff today is preparing for a GE next year. I'm guessing May.

But there's no way to avoid it. The infighting and mudslinging is borne out of utter despair.

I just do not believe that the Brexiters understand at all what they have unleashed.

The sheer scale of what needs to be done is unimaginable. We don't even have the staff. We don't have a cache of trade and industry negotiators that can swing into action. Our Civil Service is amazing but it's not something you can pick up in an afternoon's training. The lawyers that are going to be needed, the experts, the specialists.

The headlong rush into an unknown abyss - led by Boris Johnson, no doubt.

It's mindboggling.

But, yes, clearly what is going to address this looming crisis is spouting meaningless platitudes about "coming together". There's no point in suggesting we all sit around, hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Dear God - the stupidity of it all. The ignorance. FFS.

Hasn't Boris himself said there'll be a GE next year if he's PM? He needs 'a fresh mandate'.

We're not out yet. We don't actually have to go out. Absolutely nothing has changed yet. There's still time to make sense of this utter, utter mess. The coming months and years are going to be hard, dark and interesting as we watch our politicians squirm, squabble, backtrack and spin.

There is no 'moving forward' for me and my family in an isolationist UK that's turned its back on the world. I'd have to move to an EU country to be able to carry on in my profession. I also don't want to bring my son up in a country where, regardless of who voted why, the racists and fascists are celebrating this 'victory' and the world is watching. The UK is likely to tear itself apart anyway. And, as of last week, I wouldn't care.

Blanche you are right, entry into Europe for an independent Scotland is a valid concern. The First Minister announced that she was contacting every European leader to discuss so I would hope a clearer picture on that point will emerge soon.

Another worry has always been currency, however if the pound continues to be badly damaged by the Brexit decision then joining the Euro may seem more appealing.

Everything has changed. Our place in the world and how we are viewed by them has changed literally overnight.

Perceptions have changed, yes, irrevocably. But we are still in the exact same place legally that we were a fortnight ago. The referendum is technically a snapshot of opinion, not a legal imperative.

I fervently believe that a referendum, based on such a narrow margin, based on a cavalcade of lies, immediately broken promises and misinformation, at the very least warrants another one - one that requires at least a 67% majority and that sets out extremely clear terms for how and what we're going to do. We should be damned sure that there is a significant majority, that this is what the majority wants and that that majority knows precisely what it's voting for. This is too important, too fundamental, too irrevocable for us to change the relatively stable status quo on an emotionally-charged whim.

No fucker knows what's going to happen. I can't bring myself to believe that MPs will let this happen. But I may well be proved wrong. I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows. And our so-called leadership is deathly quiet on the subject.

All I know is, if Brexit happens, I'm out. The best and brightest will be out. Little England can have its playground back and good luck to them.

I would genuinely like to know what Brexit voters think is going to happen now we're out. Apart from this fictional '£350m a day' that is now going to have to pay for all the policy restructuring and trade negotiations. If there is any left, it will line the pockets of the Tory party's wealthy pals in tax breaks. Did you all really believe it would be spent on the NHS and other public services? Fictional money aside, why are Brexit voters so happy with the result?

Liam Fox & Theresa Villiers are speaking coherently, like they have ideas for a plan. Are Boris or Gove popping up with their great plans anywhere?

I won't align myself with and make the best of the kind of people I know in RL and the reasons they voted out. I want people to know I don't belong with that crowd. There is no "working together" for me, it's just enduring a country and society I have had foisted upon me.

Setting aside the belief that all Brexieters are racist iditos... you may now be feeling how many of them have been feeling for a while, Nicki.