To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

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Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

NATO members UK and US started not one but TWO wars in recent memory that has led to millions dead and an entire region in turmoil.

And you have to point fingers at Turkey?

Op. Told you so. Repeat.

Boaty I agree. I think some leave arguments are strong and I am a very firm believer in Remain, I even campaigned. I don't believe that all (or most) leavers are racist but I do think most racists used leave to enforce their views.

Actual quote from a man who was interviewed on the BBC 'I'm thrilled with the vote. We can stop the Muslims coming. I don't mind free movement within Europe, but it's the people who come from Syria, Iraq, Africa that I don't like'

How on earth will that help?

I sincerely hope Merkel and Kenny are now in talks with major financial institutions and corporations about transfers of headquarters and making plans for office space and lower corp rate (which honestly serves UK fuck all because any company which wants long-term access to the EU market would be stupid to make any plans here).
The EU must be looking after ourselves. Why should they cars about Britain? It's out so cut the ties completely and make your own plans for your own future.

Did anyone else notice how the eu's reaction has already been set up as stupid if they don't trade favourably with us? I noticed it during the campaigning. 'They aren't mad enough to' stop trading or trade unfavourably. So if this big experiment fails it won't be our fault again, it will be those lunatics in Europe.

Cote it was just an example that is ongoing today. I fully acknowledge that other NATO members have started wars and I don't condone what we did in the Middle East in the last 15 years. We have caused an awful lot of these problems.

My point was just that NATO doesn't ensure peace.

Ongoing today... what? Who created the mess on Turkey's borders? That would be the UK, together with US.

Do you have any idea how many lives Kurdish terrorism has taken in the past 10 years? Noooo, all you want to do is whine about the poor little Kurds and the mean Turks who hurt them because they are meanies.

Move on.

"eu's reaction has already been set up as stupid if they don't trade favourably with us"

Quite the contrary, it is in EU's interest to make the future (including but not restricted to trade) very difficult for the UK, so as to discourage similar aspirations in other member states.

Decaff, "Why does the government have to act on voters' assumptions, and just who is going to make them, and how?*"
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I could now be as rude about this comment, and the seemingly stupidity behind it, as pretty much the remainers in the previous 600 odd comments on this thread above have been, but I wont. It isnt a stupid question, but its a question that 600 posts from allegedly highly intelligent remain advocats, cant seemingly grasp.

Yes the referendum indeed does exactly that, because in a democracy, the government governs at the will and under the instruction, of its people. The question was asked. The people made their wishes known. Its we want out of the EU.

It is exactly the same principle of asking for a vote, on say going to war. In that instance, it would be irrelevant that the 'peace' campaigners then jump up and down shouting, how stupid are you for not realising we havent even got an aircraft carrier to go to war with. The principle vote remains. Some voters will have known we have no aircraft carrier, some voters wont, but the government would have to act quickly to ensure we then did get ourselves an aircraft carrier PDQ, to fulfill the mandate given to them, by the people. A mandate they must act on.

I am of course, massively over simplifying the issue, but the principles remain. (no pun intended).

No we havent got a Brexit trade agreement, quite simply because we havent even started to negotiate one yet. Not having one, doesnt mean, well you best change your vote and live with what we have got.

Prior to friday, Brexit didnt exist. This thread got very excited that 'Rebecca' hasnt produced the 20000 page exit plan required to unravel several governments previous agreed contracts around the whole complex, expensive, sorry mess that was EU membership. As I said earlier, it wasnt for Nigel Farage, or indeed any of the Leave campaigns role to do that either. This was not a general election, with clear manifesto promises (that usually get ignored anyway). This was a referendum on one simple question.

Government got us in there, government now gets us out, and if it means some messy unravelling of god knows how many back door deals that were struck, then so be it.

cote I meant set up by the campaigns, not how the reality is. I felt it was another step in another blame game.

"it wasnt for Nigel Farage, or indeed any of the Leave campaigns role to do that either."

I wonder whose job it was to campaign on made up numbers and false promises, that they started backing away from the day after the vote?

Some people actually voted because they believed the Outist campaigners.

What does this slogan say?

Bengal your comments about the food situation are interesting.

For what it's worth, you can only stay in Norway 6 months until which time you have to have a certain number of hours employment every week (I think it was 10 when we moved there a few years ago). If you don't have a job, you have to leave.

I think a large number of leave voters voted leave based on lies. They have been naive (not all of course). It's such a shame, and I wish they would do a second referendum.

I know you weren't agreeing with it, Strictly

Boris can't do shit, clandestino, right now. And that may not change in the long term.

PM has always been his dream. The reason he led the Leave campaign alongside Farage. He will be a PM come October. And if he doesn't, it's time for Cameron to step up and act upon the two nation's decisions.

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Piennaar's politics right now... French commentator saying that another reason the EU is so keen for us to invoke Article 50 ASAP is because of the Leave Gloaters saying how much they want the entire EU project to collapse. That was the last straw, to wish our misfortune onto them.

I did say it was like the most anti-sovereignty statement, from the Brexiters who kept saying throughout their campaign "How dare Merkel/Obama/etc. state an opinion on our domestic national decision".

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Plus Turkey are a member of NATO and bomb the crap out of the Kurds.

Did you mean to make that sound like the Kurds were a totally innocent party there?

I'm not in any way condoning bombing the crap out of the Kurds or a lot of Erdogan's other actions, but it's not entirely as one sided as you've just made that sound.

For what it's worth, you can only stay in Norway 6 months until which time you have to have a certain number of hours employment every week

That is the case in the entire EU, and by extension the EEA.

Seriously: EU nationals in the UK right now also conform to these rules. Your right to reside in another EU country is limited. Jobseekers have 6 months to find a job. Pensioners have to prove they have social cover. Students have to prove they are in education.

Even in the EU, no-one has the right to rock up in another country, and stay there indefinitely, using the social services, without a genuine reason to be there or limit to their right to stay (although national governments are free to extend that right to stay beyond 6 months if they wish).

The information is all there on the interwebs, in plain English too:
europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/index_en.htm

People need to remember that the UK is a net importer from the EU. We have a very strong hand in renegotiating trade arrangements.

the question was asked. The people made their wishes known

No, it didn't happen like that. The people were effectively asked if they'd like to close the borders and give the NHS shit loads of money, then told afterwards they'd only voted to leave Europe and the 'pledges' eye a 'mistake'. That is an abuse of the democratic process and of the nation's trust. It shouldn't be allowed to stand. Truth first, then the question, then a vote, if a vote there must be.

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People need to remember that the UK is a net importer from the EU. We have a very strong hand in renegotiating trade arrangements.

Nope. The UK is a net importer, but that trade only represents about 3% of the other countries' total trade.

They could lose the UK as a trading partner and barely notice it.

No, it didn't happen like that. The people were effectively asked if they'd like to close the borders and give the NHS shit loads of money, then told afterwards they'd only voted to leave Europe and the 'pledges' eye a 'mistake'. That is an abuse of the democratic process and of the nation's trust. It shouldn't be allowed to stand. Truth first, then the question, then a vote, if a vote there must be.

Bollocks. Anyone screaming that people have been lied to or full truth hasn't been revealed is an idiot. The truth was out there. The right to vote doesn't only come with the privileges, it also comes with responsibilities to inform yourself. If someone believes a slogan on the bus, you should probably give up any voting forever because you're mentally incapable of making important decisions.