To think that Boris didn't actually want Brexit to happen

[hownottofuckup]

And that something else was afoot entirely?
Possibly with David's support, or knowledge at least.
There's been quite a bit about the divide between him and his family (not that that means much necessarily)
His propaganda for leaving was ridiculous in the extreme (£350 million a week for the NHS?)
His reaction since the results were announced
I can't help but wonder if he seriously misjudged the voting populace and this was never his intention at all. More a tactical move with a view to securing something else entirely, purely for his own personal gain.
You could never really accuse Boris of being in touch with the 'common people' after all.

Distraught as I am, I don't see how we can possibly hold a second referendum. No-one would ever take voting seriously again.

'The miracle, for me, would be Boris Johnson accepting full responsibility for lying to the public'

We can but dream!

^Handelsblatt, a German business newspaper, said it had obtained a copy of an emergency plan entitled "German strategy for Brexit" that warned against treating the UK too leniently for fear of encouraging other countries to follow suit.

It said there would be "no automatic access to the single market" in order to "avoid offering false incentives for other member states when establishing new arrangements".^

ImperialBlether, my DD1 has just said that too about his Twitter.

He is uncharacteristically quiet at the moment. Quietly bricking it until he really has to emerge.

There's a regular meeting in Brussels on Tuesday isn't there? Or Monday? Cameron has to be there. Yes, he said in his resignation speech he'd be going to Brussels next week. I'd guess he's not really looking forward to it, and also that no one will bring in cake for him.

Imperial, I linked to one such article. I think there's another from the Guardian, if you search.

In some ways we have probably always been seen as having one foot in and one foot out of the door.

All our special agreements and refusal to adopt the Euro has no doubt been a thorn in the side of many EU countries. I imagine they have seen us as cherry picking for quite some time now.

Yes they will miss our financial contributions but I don't think they'll miss the brake we have been putting onto what they see as true integration of the EU.

Ok mitzy what should Johnson have said then? My post was if he'd said that he'd have been flamed so give me your insight then.

KiwiMummy

Me too. I did enjoy a moment of schadenfreude when I saw that.

Can someone answer whether, in the single market/eea type scenario, which looks most realistic I suppose, whether the free movement works both way, ie would British citizens still get free movement throughout EU even though we are not EU ourselves?

Is Osbourne still missing in action? Gove is being mysteriously quiet too.

Normally I'd welcome their absence from public life.

If leave campaigned on promises that were not - as was bloody obvious - possible to be fulfilled, then the referendum result must be disregarded.

I think it's an utter disgrace that at SUCH a scary uncertain time not a soul from government has uttered any words other than "I quit".

They are our government FfS!

Not answering my question mitzy seems you just like to snipe then. Osborne is MIA not been on Twitter since he said he was talking to G7 maybe he's run off with Teresa May

Thegirlinthefireplace

If we become members of the EEA I think free movement would still apply.

(Sorry it's Wiki)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Rights_Directive

Sapphire when someone is leaving at my work, they're the one bringing the cakes. Maybe Dave will rock up with four carrier bags of Tunnocks and Swiss rolls.

Lynn the thread is about people's suspicions that Johnson has been blindsided by the result and not exactly thrilled at the immediate impact it's going to have on his career. It's not following his planned trajectory. While I wouldn't expect him to say 'fuck yeah guys, we won' I don't believe that this is a new Humble Boris who is trying to appease the 48%. Boris' thoughts are first and foremost with Boris. And Boris looks a bit discombobulated.

Yes, he's gone very quiet - probably knows his card is marked as he and Cameron are so closely linked.

As for Gove, he's never normally slow to share his dreadful opinions so God only knows what's happening there.

Not answering my question mitzy seems you just like to snipe then.'

Patience darling. Patience.

I'm on a politics blackout this weekend - for my sanity - but am putting this on my feed. I was also sure some bigger game was being played (with our lives as the counters) but decided not to ferret around looking for it until after the vote.

I'm interested to see what posters think it is! But will save my curiosity until my poor mind's had a rest.

If there was a general election its results would supercede the referendum. So if a part ran on the "stay" election promise, we would have to stay. All that is required is a vote of no confidence in our current governing party, that headless one...
I give it a week.

Can someone answer whether, in the single market/eea type scenario, which looks most realistic I suppose, whether the free movement works both way, ie would British citizens still get free movement throughout EU even though we are not EU ourselves?

Of course.

The UK government will have to seriously beg to get EEA membership, though, as that will be seen as being given too easy a ride otherwise.

Seriously beg, in order to accept all the same rules as before, but with no more vote at the table, while also paying higher dues because you can bet the UK rebate is going out the window.

And the UK electorate is going to keep on re-electing the Conservative party that got them in this mess...?

If they won on the "stay in" promise that is.

Thank you and I accept he was quiet and but I think he and Gove were deliberately not following Farages slightly pissed hyperbolic speech from the early hours. Trying to be statesmanlike that's my opinion anyway.

'I think it's an utter disgrace that at SUCH a scary uncertain time not a soul from government has uttered any words other than "I quit".'

I agree. The biggest political event in decades and..............silence from the powers that be.

Blimey 656, is that really so?

Would any party be prepared to go into government to overturn this? Labour aren't ready to be elected, the Conservatives definitely aren't, and as for the Lib Dems...

It's a proposition I've honestly not considered. Interesting though.