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I regret the way I voted.

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lulucappuccino · 24/06/2016 23:58

After a long day reading Facebook (didn't announce on there that I'd voted out), colleagues talking and family (who do know how I voted) complaining, I really wish I'd voted to remain.

I read a few bullet point articles and felt swayed by the amount of money were were paying to the EU. But I feel as though I'd partly not researched enough and also believed the hype.

Seeing the pound falling and friends worried for their jobs etc, I feel as though I've done something really bad. In fact, I'm sure I have.

Does anyone else regret the way they voted, whichever way that was?

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throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 07:34

bengalcatmun you voted leave to control immigration????
You know the leave campaign are already admitting they can't actually do that!!!
Something many of us warned about many times on mumsnet before the referendum!!

Many immigrants come from beyond the EU and membership will have no impact.

Plus I think everyone save for the very naive has accepted that any exit deal with the EU will almost certainly require us to sign up to free movement of people!!

throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 07:38

Here you are, the leave campaign are merrily admitting it now they have won: m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241?edition=uk

KateInKorea · 26/06/2016 07:38

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throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 07:57

That's a failure of the "remain" campaign too though Kate. They have culpability too for not fighting hard enough to get their opinions across to the people that really mattered.

At the time i was pleased that the remain campaigns arguments were actually reasoned and based in reality. Now I can see that a vast tranche of the electorate needed a remain campaign that could compete with the hyperbole, emotional chest beating and down right bullshitting of the leave campaign.

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:06

I don't think you can blame Remain when Leave kept repeating lies.
The fault lies with them. Were they a product in advertising and they'd be fined.
Also with the electorate, as the lies were exposed, but people do prefer the knee jerk reaction of "independence" and "control migration" and so on.
If people prefer to believe the likes of Farage and Boris, then good luck to them.

crossroads3 · 26/06/2016 08:07

We have a governemnt that is choosing not to support industry, not to vote for laws that will protect workers (eg zero hour contract, low wage jobs etc etc).

It's not the immigrants that are driving wages down. It's the governemnt that is letting companies treating workers like crap by paying them peanuts.
And no one in the EU has forced Britain to act like this (actually a lot of countries in their EU are much more protective of their work force).

^ this

1000 times overp

crossroads3 · 26/06/2016 08:07

Over

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:09

As an example, there was a thread claiming that our children would be conscripted into an EU army.
People steadfastly kept choosing who to believe even though they were presented with different important people who said differently and strong arguments to the opposite.

I do blame voters and their irresponsibility.

BitOutOfPractice · 26/06/2016 08:12

I think you might be right pebbles. The remain failed to realise just how low that lowest common denominator was and therefore didn't sink to it.

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:17

Seriously?

You prefer to blame those who ran a serious and more honest campaign instead of berating the lies by the Leavers?
Why aren't people crucifying Farage and Boris and are instead now blaming Remain?
You'll end up with them in charge. And you'll deserve them.
The fallout for those two should be huge.
Not to Cameron or Corbyn.

HarHer · 26/06/2016 08:17

Hello

Devilishpyjamas, Points taken, yet I disagree with he comment about David Cameron's actions. He called the Referendum, he is still PM (although now working his notice) surely he has some sort of obligation to deal with the consequences?

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:21

Considering the type of campaign run by Leave it's only right they deal with any consequences. And that the UK (England) get them dealing with it.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/06/2016 08:24

Lweji,
Yes- the leave campaign are disgusting liars, yes the people who fell for it were ...foolish and/or racist but I do think the remain campaign must take some responsibility for running such a lack lustre campaign and failing to expose the lies.

throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 08:27

I am furious with the leave campaign too!! But some of the responsibility rests with the remain campaign for failing to engage with these lies and failing to really get out there and promote then positives of remain!

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:31

It is different to blame both than just talk about the Remain camp.
That's the sort of thing that led to Leave winning.
And it's not right to absolve the voters either.

Devilishpyjamas · 26/06/2016 08:32

Remain were accused of being patronising when they pointed out the (bleeding obvious) lies.

throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 08:32

I was only talking about the remain camp because felt it was pretty much universally agreed that the leave campaign had been a monstrous succession of lies (and many of us were pointing this out pre-referendum)

Devilishpyjamas · 26/06/2016 08:35

Harher - DC doesn't want out of the EU. I think it's quite right that those that do get to sort out how that will work (work may be too optimistic). It seems that they have no plan (which was obvious as nothing they were saying stood up to scrutiny).

revealall · 26/06/2016 08:43

I can see why you would regret your vote as the half that voted remain kept telling you how stupid you are.
However more half the country agreed there is a problem so don't underestimate your feeling on this. There is a great video by an Italian journalist who sums up why Brexit is a good option for many reasons. Watch it, it will cheer you up.

He has a great point about UKIP and the far right ( and the push in Europe that has increased towards them) Basically that leaving now avoids a push towards them. We elect on the basis of policy towards migration rather than having to elect a party with dubious leanings.

www.facebook.com/DemocraziaVerde/

KERALA1 · 26/06/2016 08:49

I read that the leave campaign were lacklustre because dc thought they would win and wanted to preserve relationships within the Tory party as would have to work together afterwards. Labour were lacklustre because they assumed a win and quite liked the fact that the Tories were divided.

So we are out of Europe forever because of pathetic internal political struggles on both sides

PlatoTheGreat · 26/06/2016 08:50

Promote positives of Remain
I have to lol at that.
In 20 years living here, I have NEVER heard anything positive about the EU. And even when it was obvious that the EU had a big positive influence (let's talk about Liverpool or the Wales or the NE of England who all received a lot of financial help) it has been brushed under the carpet or only vaguely mentioned. But no one has ever stand up and said 'Look how AMAZING the EU is for helping us like this'.

When the EU has been protecting human rights and stopped the governemnt from doing something they really shouldn't be doing (a BIG positive) it has been turned as 'the EU meddling with our internal stuff again'

Even the money paid to the farmers has been brushed aside.

The 'not talking about the positives with staying' has happened because as a country this has never been acknowledged nor has it been accepted.
And DC certainly wasn't going to say how fantastic the EU is when his point was to use the referendum as a tool to put pressure on the EU and get an even more 'different treatment' than everyone else the so called negociations with the EU. DC has never said the EU was great. On the contrary, he has emphasised all the issues and how important it was to change the rules instead...
In these circumstances, how do you think they could have 'emphasize' all the positives,that they have spent years squashing?

The reality is that the UK has never really been IN the EU. It has enjoyed all the advantages (that suddenly are becoming so much more obvious), whilst digging it's heels about anything else. It has never bought into what is the fundamentals essence of the EU, not just a free market but a group of countries with a much stronger political power together, a system that has carried peace and stability in Europe despite so much turmoil (remember the stuff with Yougoslavia, the crumbling of the Easter block, the Berlin Wall etc etc?) and the wish to build something together.

throwingpebbles · 26/06/2016 08:51

I agree plato

Through my work I see so very many positives of the EU supporting the poorest and most vulnerable people and areas.

Lweji · 26/06/2016 08:53

Exactly, Pato.

KERALA1 · 26/06/2016 08:56

An area here lots of houses and businesses found to be built on old mines. Real risk whole lot would collapse. Eu paid millions for tunnels to be filled in and all homeowners given a certificate for buyers confirming house safe o buy. Minimal publicity. I only knew as we looked at buying one of the houses. What bastards they were Hmm