I regret the way I voted.

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After a long day reading Facebook (didn't announce on there that I'd voted out), colleagues talking and family (who do know how I voted) complaining, I really wish I'd voted to remain.

I read a few bullet point articles and felt swayed by the amount of money were were paying to the EU. But I feel as though I'd partly not researched enough and also believed the hype.

Seeing the pound falling and friends worried for their jobs etc, I feel as though I've done something really bad. In fact, I'm sure I have.

Does anyone else regret the way they voted, whichever way that was?

That doesn't help though does it?
Our economy has now officially been downgraded to negative which will have wide ranging consequences
You happy yet?

oops wrong thread!

Where have I said that? With tata you can't argue that's it hasn't been on the verge of going for many years.

Both sides of this campaign have been built upon guesswork. Neither side can see into the future.

For the Welsh valleys there's a definite feeling of being left behind and not having a voice. People feel that things can't any worse for us than they are now. I appreciate that's not the experience of those of you living in other areas but that's how it is here.

What I am saying is that there's absolutely no evidence or reason to think it would be cut. Most likely it would have stayed the same. But the potential is always there, as long as you are in the EU, for the amount to rise if it's needed.

Leave told you it would be cut because they wanted you to vote for them. Boris only did this to get popular support to be PM, and sadly his signing a letter assuring you Wales will retain funding, is not in his power to effect.

It's difficult to spend money when you have less coming in. Budgeting 101

More borrowing.

Which ofc does mean interest etc. And Moody's have already downgraded the UK = higher interest rates on repayment. Plus we already had one of the highest debt levels in the EU, apparently.

can't see this leading anywhere good.

Yep
I'm very worried about Moody's
Pensions and mortgages will be affected

For the Welsh valleys there's a definite feeling of being left behind and not having a voice. People feel that things can't any worse for us than they are now

Unfortunately they can, and they are about to get a lot worse.

Gloria I appreciate each side have their own agenda to push. With poorer countries joining it seemed likely to me that funding could be cut.

Also the things eu are funding, building improvements etc don't actually improve quality of life here. With exception of the duelling of the heads of the valley road which is essential and has been in the pipeline for a long time.

Gloria What the Leave campaign actually said was that the UK Government would pay instead of the EU. I quote from the statement linked to above:
"If the public votes to leave on 23 June, we will continue to fund EU programmes in the UK until 2020, or up to the date when the EU is due to conclude individual programmes if that is earlier than 2020."

And some people must have believed them.

Which means, BTW pickledpears, that even if the commitment above is fulfillled, the funding will only be until 2020, exactly as would have been the case with EU funding. There are no commitments for the period after that.

Well when there's no jobs, no houses and an increase in the homeless, reliance on food banks, cuts to benefits, lack of school places, major issues in healthcare (impossible to get a gp appointment), town centres turned into ghost towns and unsustainable levels of immigration into small towns currently, it's hard to see how this vote can make it any worse. But we shall see.

What i would love to know is...
all this money that was promised to be put into the NHS which is now not being cause Farage openly admitted he lied about it...
Where is that money going now, cause i doubt we will ever hear about where the money is going to be allocated from this point on, infact, i'm sure most people will just forget about it now that they've got their own way.

pickledpears - How about NO benefits on top of that for the people that cant get a job.
NO food banks cause no one can afford to run them and no one will be getting donations.
Having to pay for your own healthcare when you get ill, doctors surgeries shutting down due to lack of funding (because thats already been said that theres not going to be any extra funding)
NO town centres to be a part of cause business have either moved out of the country to where they'll be more stable or have had to shut down cause no one can afford products anymore?

Benefit sanctions mean many people are without benefits when they can't get a job.

Food banks in my hometown are also well stocked which considering it had the highest levels of unemployment and is economically deprived demonstrated how the poor will always support each other.

If you can't get an appointment your surgery may as well be shut down! Not enough gp's and too many people.

Have a look at Merthyr, Ponypridd, Aberdare, Ebbw Vale town centres. They are dead anyway.

Like I said things can't get any worse for us.

Thank you for starting the thread OP

For some reason I find it comforting x

mooseboots there never was £350 million pounds a week. That's why Nigel Farage says it was a mistake to say so.

To be fair to Nigel Farage, it wasn't his claim, it was that of the official Leave campaign.

demonstrated how the poor will always support each other

Oh god.

Go and read some victorian/ Edwardian literature. It's all set in a background where people did starve to death, or get the diseases of starvation and died. People lost their famlies, their children, because they were weakened by lack of food ... And there was no free healthcare.

It's only 100 years ago. The introduction of the NHS massively improved peoples' health. People don't grow up stunted because they didnt have enough food as young children. I know people who did.

The difference has been the existence of the NHS and benefits system. Which is currently being slowly dismantled. Now there'll be less money for it.

Huh? Oh my post contains a significant typo. It should say:

How terribly sad that people actually believed that without membership and contribution to the EU they would continue to receive UK funding

It's simply not in Boris's power to assure that. What the country does with the money that went to the EU will be up to the government. Supporting Wales has never been high on the list of Tory govenments' priorities, if you remember the minors' strike.

There's a big difference between 'likely to be cut' and not a hope in hell to continue. And that's if you believe anything the leave campaign says after its complete u-turn on NHS funding. It's a terrible shame if people are at risk of redundancy irrespective of the result, but what is a disaster is the redundancies as a direct consequence of the result. Because it could have been avoided. And if you think what happens in the South East doesn't affect you, you're living in a bubble. How many of the net tax contributors live and work in the South East. What happens when those tax revenues are moving to mainland Europe. As is already happening. And that isn't something I've read in the Daily Fail, it's people I know directly.

I'm talking about my experience in my town regarding food banks.

I'm well aware of what the nhs was set up for and how dramatically it improves the lives of deprived people. Aneurin Bevan would be turning in his grave the state the NHS is in now so don't preach to me eagle.

*Miners'!

I don't think anyone living in London or the home counties can envisage just how bad things are in places like Merthyr if they haven't seen it for themselves. I certainly didn't until I travelled there and saw it for myself a couple of years ago.

Removing hope is very dangerous