I regret the way I voted.

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After a long day reading Facebook (didn't announce on there that I'd voted out), colleagues talking and family (who do know how I voted) complaining, I really wish I'd voted to remain.

I read a few bullet point articles and felt swayed by the amount of money were were paying to the EU. But I feel as though I'd partly not researched enough and also believed the hype.

Seeing the pound falling and friends worried for their jobs etc, I feel as though I've done something really bad. In fact, I'm sure I have.

Does anyone else regret the way they voted, whichever way that was?

Odd how you're reading about ttip now op?

Just what are you hoping from this thread?

With respect, i have to echo stepping away from social media, you seem very easily influenced.

Is this for real?
No sympathy from me as my partners company is already affected and recruitment put on hold
They were offering some graduate jobs
Serious doubts now about the future as lots of dealings with EU countries

Firstly OP get a fucking grip. You made a decision and now you're sorry. It's people like you that give the elite reasons to say little people shouldn't vote.
Life will go on, the sky hasn't fallen in. The pound and the FTSE are back roughly where they were. Obama is no longer saying we are back of the queue, junker and merkel are more conciliatory.
We will be out, I dont see any likelihood of a rerun. Scotland should be allowed another referendum but I don't think they'd leave.
Moody's are speculative it's their opinion they are not gods. Mark carney BofE has stopped his we're all doomed speech to actually go do his bloody job.
Hopefully George Osborne will crawl out from under his stone and resign then it'll be a good day.
The 350m a day they asked Farage about. He's not in govt, he cant say where it'll be spent anymore than I can. It's disingenuous of the press to say he's backtracking as it was never in his gift in the first place.
We are the UK WE WILL BE JUST FINE.

There's been a lot of scaremongering in the press

Do you understand the following post:

Oh and those Economists also predicted the downgrading of Britain's credit rating. That of course has now happened. In case you're wondering why Moody's cut our rating, this is what they said. "The negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget," and "The UK government has one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies, and lower GDP growth will further complicate the implementation of the government's multiyear fiscal consolidation plan,"

Do you really not grasp that what you dismissed as 'scaremongering' was actually people explaining the precise consequences of your choice? Consequences that you were not informed enough to be aware of.

Do you regard all the posters on MN who have already lost their jobs or have been informed they will as 'scaremongering' or practical reality?

Hopefully George Osborne will crawl out from under his stone and resign then it'll be a good day

So your definition of a 'good day' is one which the country has neither PM nor chancellor and no-one to replace them?

Apparently we are about to enter a new left-wing and loving utopia.

Actually Obama has said this morning that he stands by his statement that we will be at the back of the queue for trade agreements

No, I definitely don't regret voting remain. However, working in what little is left of the NHS I am very glad I am in good health and am keeping everything crossed that this remains the case. I can't believe how utterly dense so many people are. Good luck everyone, they will tell you everything is fine, but it is far from the case- open your eyes!!

I was undecided for a long while but after doing some research (and not through Facebook or the daily mail) I voted leave.

I'm happy with my choice. We knew there would be a period of uncertainty but I think in the longer term it's for the best.

Sorry OP, but I am extremely angry with people like you today. You have damaged my children's future -their education, their opportunities - no more EU funding for our educational establishments here, no more freedom for them to live, work and study in 27 EU countries. What the hell were you thinking? You actually believed Nigel Farage about the NHS? More fool you, and now we must all suffer.

Merkel is conciliatory, Juncker is absolutely not. He has told us to act as soon as possible to leave the EU. Juncker is a dick who hates Cameron because 2 years ago, Cameron tried to ensure he didn't get the job as President of the EU. I am fairly sure he will try and make the UK pay because it's personal.

His pressuring us to give notice as soon as possible is actually a tactical move. Article 50 gives a strict 2 year deadline. It can be extended but only if all 27 countries agree. So assuming it's a 2 year deadline, then the longer the negotiations take the weaker the UK's position will be because at 2 years will leave the EU with no rights. We need to have the machinery in place to be able to negotiate effectively, so Cameron has actually bought us time by saying that he thinks the negotiations are for his successor. So no, whatever you think of Cameron and Osborne, we actually need them working behind the scenes to make sure the UK is prepared when we get to the negotiating table because the EU are going to be difficult. They can't afford to be overly generous to the uk because it will fuel the leavers in other member states.

I am sure neither of them wants to hang around anymore but it would be a total disaster if Cameron and Osborne had left us to it. And the markets wouldn't have rallied, they would have stayed in free fall. Which affects everyone's pensions.

So your definition of a 'good day' is one which the country has neither PM nor chancellor and no-one to replace them?

Who has told you that would be the case? Cameron is staying until October, and there will be a leadership contest starting very soon.

If George leaves (which sadly I think he won't, he has the skin of a rhino and also has his eye on the PM job) Cameron would replace him. George did not land that job because of his skills with maths and economics, he got the job because he was Cameron' mate and couldn't make a living as a journalist.

So don't worry. When/if they leave, they will be replaced and quite possibly by people who are not as shit.

Who has told you that would be the case? Cameron is staying until October

It's a great place to be with a leaving PM, who doesn't care what happens to his political career, since it's at an end, and not wanting to manage the UK leaving the EU.

loletta I haven't stated my argument here as I don't need to justify myself to you, why would I?

Blingygolightly You think he can hold out until October? I'm not sure. Look at the concessions he came back with before the referendum vote. Nobody was impressed. He has to meet with them next week, and I may be impressed if he walks away without kicking the process off!

But there are lots of Leavers who are furious that we didn't leave the EU yesterday. Exactly how much 'short term pain' do people want? We must be a nation of masochists.

Living in a democracy involves responsibilities as well as rights: one of them is to understand exactly what you're voting for. You and many other people made a frivolous decision that will make us all poorer and less secure.
No sympathy.

I discussed all this in the threads leading up to the referendum, there are plenty of them if you'd like me to point you in the right direction.

Agree. What do you think "legally binding" means SpringerS?
It means that the government have a legal or moral obligation to implement the decision. it doesn't matter if there isn't a piece of legislation that says that it is legally binding. It's binding because it would be undemocratic to say the least to go against it.

I think legally binding means legally binding. You know, once the referendum has finished the government has no choice whatsoever but to implement it. Like it is in Ireland. Referendums are constitutional and the government can't ignore it. And even there, in similar situations the result has been a renegotiation with the EU and a second referendum. Do I think that's democratic, yes and no. Is it what most people think of as democratic when they think of the fanciful ideal of democracy that most people think democracy is? No not even remotely. But is it what democracy actually is, a deeply flawed system that varies from one democratic country to another based on pre-existing laws? Yup then ignoring the referendum would be completely democratic based on the reality of British law. We aren't a bunch of teenagers stamping our feet screaming majority rules, we are people who live within countries with laws and people in control who will use those laws to suit their agenda. And those laws mean Britain will almost certainly remain in the EU regardless of this referendum which was legally close to meaningless.

This isn't my wishful thinking, I'm not British, I don't live there. I'm on the outside looking in and I have a lot of experience of politics and I understand the legal status of this referendum, clearly better than most of the voters, sadly. As an outside observer, who has gone through very similar situations in the past, I have a very different perspective than most of you and as a result I see a broader picture. Perhaps I'm wrong, only time will tell. But come one, a very close, legally meaningless referendum with lowish turnout and where many voters have immediately expressed their dismay at winning, which the establishment of neither the UK nor the EU wants to implement. And the EU has a history of dealing with similar, less serious - more legally meaningful, situations and still getting their way in the end. Do you really see this referendum being held up? Seriously? You'd have to be extremely idealistic and naive.

Gloria that's more press babble. Everyone is just getting in a flap, people are doubting their choice because others are fussing about how terrible it all is and its having a snowball effect. The reality is quite different.

If there are general elections, and Labour or a Remain leaning Tory party wins, with no wish to leave, things could indeed change and the referendum could be ignored or repeated.
Not if the Tory government stays on and Cameron is replaced by a Leaving leaning leader.

LaBelle, he just has to hang around till October, be a blocker and not do one bit of negotiating. Cos he's clearly rubbish at it. You have idiots like Farage saying go straight away, but the other parties are being more sensible, as I am fairly sure, they know that what is good for the UK.

I have just seen that both France and Germany have now come out and said we should give notice immediately. It is not for our good. Hopefully Cameron won't idiotically agree on Tuesday.