Anyone watching TV debate ?

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

or anyone had their mind changed by watching any of the to debates ?

Nearly, so does that mean contributions from the UK to the EU cannot increase from the whatever the actual net contribution figure actually is until 2020? I was under the impression that a new budget is due to be announced in July surprisingly after the EU ref and it is likely to be higher due to the costs of dealing with the migrant crisis. And what about that one off payment which we owed because the UK economy was doing so well which DC vetoed but then quietly paid most of anyway?

Shitchef I'm not sure of the exact timing. Think right now theres a mid term review of the current budget - thats about progress does not have an impact on the major agreements, like the rebate. There will be proposals coming for the next budget at some point - it takes some time to negotiate and needs to be in place by 2020.

No increases until 2020 anyway.

The extra bit was a total miscalculation by the UK so ws our fault

But in 2020 it could actually rocket? So much for Remain being the no risk option.

Can you explain the whole miscalculation thing to me please, I've tried googling it and struggled to find anything. (I don't really know which terms to use when searching tbh.) Was it on top of the payment worked out in the previous EU budget? If it was part of the agreed budget how come it was advertised as being due to the UK's economy doing so well? Have the EU got a crystal ball that can predict 7 years in advance how well a country's economy will do? They didn't predict the 2008 crash.

Shitchef it won't rocket in 2020 because of several factors.. eg. the UK has a veto and overall EU MS are cutting/ streamlining EU budget funding.
I'm rushing right now but can get back to you later on the other question.

'the UK has a veto '

Have you seen Cameron in action "negotiating"? The Estonians are likely to run rings around him, he probably won't dare use the "veto" as they will link other things to the "negotiation".

Using a "veto" is hardly ever done because it would make him unpopular with his mates (the other leaders with whom he feats at taxpayer expense). It's a club and they all get along and the people pay.

Of course it's going to rise that what the remain party are not discussing it

Last year we had the largest refugee crises in Europe since WW2 and still more are coming to Europe no amount of charity money could possible if make a dent into the costs

The German government have dismissed reported costs because the figures are so high and do you think they are really going to shoulder all the financial responsibility

We all saw how Juncker treated Cameron in the "negotiations" that Cameron wanted before the Referendum. Cameron traipsed all over Europe knocking on doors and having them slammed in his face.

If Cameron gets his way and we vote to stay in, Cameron will sigh with relief, but the EU will laugh and impose tough conditions on us knowing that there is nothing we can do as we had our chance and instead followed Cameron and chose to stay in.

With Cameron negotiating, we may as well write the EU a blank cheque, thank them for their patience with us and apologise to them for upsetting them by daring to have a vote to leave.

And if God forbid, our best brain, Hilary Benn, ever gets in and is in charge of "negotiations", we might as well turn the lights out and empty our pockets to the EU while asking them not to negotiate too roughly with Hilary because, although he is the best we have got, he is a child compared to the teenage negotiators from Estonia.

Can you imagine a British "negotiation" delegation of the best we have got, Cameron, Chuka Umunna and Sturgeon, turning up to fight our corner? The bookies would refuse to take bets, the teenage "negotiation teams" the EU would put up against them would laugh their chops off, lick ther lips and think Christmas had come early.

Why does the Remain campaign trot out this veto nonsense all the time? We (the electorate) have no idea whether any UK government would ever use it. Most people on MN don't seem to trust DC to stick to his word on anything else so why do they trust him to stick to his (ever changing) word on vetoing Turkey joining the EU?

Never mind Turkey getting in the EU, we are run by a gaggle of turkeys, tossers and twerps who would vote for Christmas if Juncker told them to unless we "take back control" and restore power to the people.

'why do they trust him to stick to his (ever changing) word on vetoing Turkey joining the EU?'

He is not allowed to veto Turkey, he wouldn't dare. He said he wanted to pave the path from Ankara to Brussels.

He has to get over this hurdle of doing his job of keeping us in by using Project Fear, but afterwards the let down will begin.

I think his political career is over however we vote but I doubt he'll care - it'll mean he can start writing his memoirs and planning his lucrative after dinner speeches.

Here's an article from the BBC Reality Check website about projections for our contribution to the EU. The final bar chart shows a fall in contribution for the next 2 years and then the contribution rising until 2021. They are net numbers minus the rebate and ONS figures.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216

Anyone hear Ed Miliband on R2 just now?

Remain just can't answer anything, particularly immigration. They're really losing momentum.

Having just watched the Referendum debate on ITV catch up, what game is Cameron playing encouraging Amber Rudd to make such an aggressive personal attack on Boris Johnson? The Tories are literally ripping themselves apart. Attacking the man will backfire.

The Remain side was such a three pronged high pitched shouty attack on Boris that I've now got a headache.

Andrea Leadsom and Gisela Stuart were fantastic. And credit to Boris for not rising to the bait.

Remain are VERY weak on immigration and they are not listening to the electorate - why did UKIP win 4million votes in the last election and take so many votes from the labour party. To deny it is an issue for the electorate is a HUGE mistake.

erm we use the veto all the time. That's why it took forever to negotiate the last budget. There was a lot of vetoing going on on the rebate, CAP payments and so forth.

Also the point is that then if there is a veto, people don't propose things that they know you can veto!!