Operation Black Vote racist poster? yes bit because its against whites it doesn't matter

[laurenwiltxx]

Ive attached the picture of "operation black votes poster". I found it offensive and think that if shoe was on the other foot, there would probably be nationwide protests and a lawsuit. Why is it that when things target white people nothing is ever said?

That poster is very offensive and stereotyped. I wonder if the models knew what they were posing for?

I can't really see what benefits Bremain offers black people, really, or any immigrants from without the EU.

Well, I doubt the male model (actor?) thought he was doing a Boden catalogue.

Well I have to disagree with alot of you. How is it not offensive and what have thugs got to do with the eu referendum are you suggesting thugs are going around being racist and bullying people into not voting or voting a specific? If that was a young black or Asian boy dressed as a thug pointing at a little old white lady people would be kicking off. I am just so sick of racist perceptions of white people. Racism plagues all races and subjecting one race to not having a voice against it is wrong. Also makes me laugh that I say I find something racist to white people and first thing in accused of is being part of Britain first and a racist myself how ridiculous is that.

Lweji

Possibly, but I'd be pretty certain that there's a net 'inflow'

Also, I was making the point in the context of Operation Black Vote.

I'm actually not in favour of OBV. It infantilises us, somehow treats us differently. I find it patronising.

poster is very offensive and I agree with what laurenwilt has said
the EU referendum is pertinent to everyone equally - any ethnicity, any age, any status, any political leaning.

Racism plagues all races

May I introduce you to a useful definition of systemic racism as 'prejudice plus power'?

And look up 'white privilege'.

I think it is deeply offensive and nasty.

They have had other posters that got the point across without resorting to making racial sterotypes.

Previously from S&S- 'are you thinking what we're thinking? It's time to put limits on immigration'. Don't credit these people with profundity or a sense of mission- they have no soul . It is surprising OBV would give them any money.

And for me the poster is not just promoting minorities to vote, its saying don't feel bullied by white people vote anyway, most people I have spoken to about this have agreed its offensive and most of the being ethnic minorities I fail to understand who you think this poster is targeting. And FYI Britain first has little or nothing at all to do with the referendum and they have about 10 member PMSL, sae them do a protest in my area very ridiculous. So I fail to see why anyone is mentioning them?

This says what it needs to say without being offensive.

are you suggesting thugs are going around being racist and bullying people into not voting or voting a specific

um, well yes www.lep.co.uk/news/politics/voter-complaints-against-bnp-referred-to-police-1-7896843

Oh, I'd the last to defend S and S, but I don't think even they are cynical enough to pretend to be 'profound' or 'mission-led', they've just taking the cash and coming up with a poster that was, presumably okayed by OBV, which is who people should be taking issue with, if they have issues with the poster. S and S are amoral functionaries with a slick, high-profile product.

The slogan is an issue too, quite frankly. 'a vote is a vote'- even your vote is good enough, dear, it'll do! poster up thread called it patronising- it is.

refusenik
May I introduce you to a useful definition of systemic racism as 'prejudice plus power'?
And look up 'white privilege'.
white privilege (or advantage) is an American term which has crossed to the UK along with white supremacist accusations and is applied to the most bizarre situations - as in this poster.
It is not relevant in any way to the EU referendum and where each person black, white or brown has the same right to vote stay or leave in the referendum as anyone else. Just because someone happens to be a member of the majority ethnic group in the country does not make them automatically 'racist'

You're refuting an argument I haven't made, Mollie. The poster I was responding to said 'racism plagues all races', as though institutional/police racism or the quiet, behind the scenes 'shredding the CVs with the ethnic minority names' racism was the same thing as having once had an Asian man shout 'white whore' at you on the street.

White privilege maps different onto UK society to US, sure, but that's not controversial, surely.

I used to be a non racist SHARP skinhead, and I am 100 percent okay with this image, despite having spent some time dressed just like the angry white racist. It's showing a small, calm brown woman having exactly the same weight as a big angry white man. I think it's clever and honestly think that if you find it offensive you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Why do you think people see you like that angry white man? Perhaps you should try not being like him?
I think claiming it is offensive is an attempt to shut down uncomfortable conversations about race and power by people in positions of unexamined privilege.

I'm a tiny half-Spanish woman, so I don't worry about being like an angry white man, but thanks for your concern :)

sian - now you are being offensive
of course we are all not like the angry white THUG and it still has absolutely NOTHING to do with the EU referendum, whitesplaining, white privilege, or white supremacy. Tell me which 'people' see me as an angry white man - this is dreamt up by the very people who seek to divide the country on the basis of the colour of your skin and is very very offensive to many.

I suppose we could have a woman on one end of the seesaw and a man on the other - oh yes we do - and it is just as ridiculous as if being a man or a woman matters when we are voting.

sian "Why do you think people see you like that angry white man? Perhaps you should try not being like him? "

speaking as a calm, BAME woman, I'm a bit mystified by this. Finding the poster wrong doesn't mean we are seeing ourselves as the angry white man.

Mollie "this is dreamt up by the very people who seek to divide the country on the basis of the colour of your skin and is very very offensive to many."

yes, I feel like this too. A pp mentioned that OPV is patronising, I certainly find it "othering".

Racists wear nice suits and ties, used to be merchant bankers and drive Volvos these days.

Racists answer to the name 'granddad' or 'grandma'.

Racists live in 'nice' rural white areas. Often on the East or South Coast.

They do not have skin heads and doc martin boots. They are just as likely to conform to being 'respectably' dressed

The picture is really a very incorrect representation of a racist. However I think if we did try and draw a more reflective and realistic picture of a racist, a lot more people who have something to say about it because it might somehow look like them....

Personally I like the idea of the poster, but I think its badly done and actually plays on division rather than equality and inclusivity. It is not a good thing to constantly reflecting on differences rather than similarities as it just polarises to opposite ends of the spectrum.

For me that seesaw is more representative of that polarisation of politics rather than seeking politics which encompasses the best interests of all.

I think it therefore ends up saying rather more than it intends on a subconscious level, and legitimises the debate being moved from the centre ground. It almost says that that the political debate is being led by extremes.

Its not good.

I see it more about the contrast between the loud and angry against the quiet and apparently weak.

As shown by other posters the campaign is not based solely on this one, but I think the part of the message presented here is also important.
Of course the angry white skinhead could also be an angry housewife or an angry man in suit. Each one of them individually would also be open to criticism. Or maybe they should all be piled up on the end of the seesaw?

For example, I don't see the point of having a black face half whitened.

Why do you think people see you like that angry white man?

I don't

Perhaps you should try not being like him?

I'm not.

I think claiming it is offensive is an attempt to shut down uncomfortable conversations about race and power by people in positions of unexamined privilege.

And I think you are wrong and that it perpetuates offensive stereotypes. It is all part of why it is difficult to display theEnglish flag without seeming to be racist because of offensive stereotyping like this.