The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

fourmummy not quite what you're looking for, but have you seen this?

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/24/eu-referendum-provincial-england-versus-london-and/

I found this bit to be unsurprising, but still interesting:

However, our next question did uncover huge differences between the two sides. We listed ten possible causes of our economic problems and asked people to say which two or three they blame most. The top three picked by the “in” voters are completely different from the three picked by “out” voters:

For “in” voters, the top three are: British banks, the Conservative-led government since 2010 and growing inequality.

For “out” voters they are: EU rules and regulations, immigrants willing to work for low wages and the last Labour government.

Bernie Ecclestone is an "outer"

mind you, he is also an admirer of Putin, Hitler and Max Mosley.

Chalala thank you! Looks very interesting. Shall peruse later. Exactly what I'm looking for.

It's not about how many votes the UK has, or whether we re out-voted on which issues or whether we don't agree with this particular directive or regulation, or whether we have a veto........

No.

It's about getting out of a political experiment which forces us to implement laws that are imposed on us.

It's about reclaiming the right to full self-determination and making our own laws for our own country.

At a conference today about SWIFT payments at Tobbacco Dock, a snap poll of the bankers on IN/OUT was 69% IN and 32% OUT.

I can only assume you are talking for yourself only, Springing, because the "we have no influence" complaint has certainly been pushed by many a Brexiter, including on this thread.

Met a couple of medical professionals today both want Brexit.I hardly meet anyone who's doesn't want Brexit.

It must be nice to only meet people who agree with you Daisy. Congrats.

"and making our own laws for our own country"

who? us?, the ordinary person on the street ! I don't think so, we won't get a say at all after brexit. And we won't have the EU safetly nets (like working benefits) The privilaged few who will run the country will sell us off to their mates for a jolly! We will have no say at all!

(Avert your eyes Daisy)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/royal-college-of-midwives-supportive-of-britains-eu-membership

also, I won't post the full letter published in the Times by senior health professionals including two former chief executives of the NHS, two former Chief Medical Officers and many Presidents of Royal Colleges, but here are a few extracts:

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As health professionals and researchers we write to highlight the valuable benefits of continued EU membership to the NHS, medical innovation and UK public health.

(...) EU trade deals will not privatise the NHS as the EU negotiating position now contains clear safeguards. Decisions on NHS privatisation are in UK government hands alone. EU immigration is a net benefit to our NHS in terms of finances, staffing and exchanges.

Finally, leaving the EU would not provide a financial windfall for the NHS. The UK’s contribution to the EU budget is part of an agreement allowing access to the Single Market. If we pulled out, adverse economic consequences far larger than any nominal savings are widely anticipated. This would jeopardise an already cash-strapped NHS.

Our health services, health research collaborations and public health protection are more robust within the EU. Leaving would damage the progress we have made together. Brexit should carry a health warning.

for the full list of signatories at time of publication, see
healthierin.eu/2016/04/health-pros-publish-pro-eu-letter-in-the-times/

I find the "Brexit should carry a health warning" line delightful in its utter cheesiness

Marking place

Its brilliant that when the Brexit crowd get their arguments rebutted they change they argument.

The economic argument, fairly comprehensively rebuffed with facts.

The immigration arguments, pressure on NHS, scrounging immigrants etc, rebuffed.

The "influence on the EU" argument rebuffed.

The only thing I can think is that their stance on this is based on the emotive and nationalistic ideas, cause they certainly aren't logical.

Its interesting that Daisy doesn't meet anyone who doesn't want brexit, for someone who doesn't know about politics much, she certainly talks and posts about it a lot.

It all seems to be based around "we"

we would be able to control spending, we would be able to decide how our country is run…

no we won't? are you kidding? you think our gov listens to us?

That's why I think its nationalistic, its the national "we" that they use, along the EU is this nefarious institution that only does us harm.

Just a comprehensive rebuttal of "WE could spend the money on the NHS"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36040060

you think our gov listens to us?

More than the EU does...

So you'll scrap the economic future of the country based on that?

Well done.

You can vote for a different government, which you can't in the EU. Exactly how accessible are our MEPs and if I go to them with a request for change how likely is it to happen? They don't propose or repeal legislation. Our MPs here do listen to the electorate.

The economy after Brexit is by no means going to be worse. But it's not about the money and fat cats when the principle of democracy is far more important.

Can you name any examples of ordinary British citizens contacting their MEP about something which is then taken forward and leads to new EU legislation?