The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

curious how

"Of course some loans were written off, but not enough to be anywhere close to fair."

has now turned into

"no write offs needed if monetary policy had been humanely conducted for the good of all."

I wonder if government fraud and vast tax evasion had anything to do with the deficit?

PigletJohn
I feel that if we do not vote to LEAVE it will be a signal to the EU/ Mrs Merkle that we capitulate and will accept Shenghen .

After so much fuss( in the eyes of the EU) we will be given " a kicking" and will be made to adopt policies we wish not to.

We simply have not the Infrastructure.

You do yourself a disservice by talking as you do about foreigners when it is NUMBERS that is the issue.

It takes more than staying where you are.

You have to agree and sign a treaty.

I'm sure you know that really.

So it's just a made-up scare story.

Piglet John
It is not made up,it's common sense.
I know that if I had made such a disastrous mistake as Mrs Merkle has I would be thinking how I could solve it for my country.
I would dole out passports and dole people out to other nations.
Common sense really.
On being daft enough to vote to stay in the EU pressure would be brought to bear
on us to comply with and join open borders known as Shenghen.
Plus the Turkish situation = massive potential immigration forced on us from the EU
Our infrastructure could not cope.
No way am I taking that risk for my children and country.
I am and my whole family are voting LEAVE.

No matter what you would do, nobody is "doling out" anything.

Come now, Daisy, you know that isn't true.

Your wild "We will be forced" claim is just a made-up scare story.

Speaking of which, why is the Resign from the EU campaign so rattled?

As well as your scare story, I saw the "26,000 word cabbage" hoax trotted out earlier today.

Haven't they got anything true to say?

Piglet John
Widowadman
Regards Open borders (Shenghen) being foisted on us if we do not LEAVE the EU.(See my posts above mums)

It's too easy to sneer and rush quickly by.
It's not a scare story.

You just don't even want to face it because you are naieve.
There is no doubt in my mind that if we do not Leave the EU we will be coerced into joining Shengen (open borders ) with the POTENTIAL of our borders being open to up to 500 million people.

Turkish is being adopted as an EU language at the EU Parliament ,that says it all.There is no doubt in my mind and many people's minds that Turkey will be admitted to the EU.
Our Infrastructure,schools,hospitals ,housing and roads could not cope
Common sense dictates that a vote to Leave is the wise choice.

Low interest rates is what got Greece into trouble in the first place.

Yes, I agree completely with this.

In the early 2000s southern Europe was asking for higher interest rates. They were signalling that their economies were overheating and pointing out that more capital was flowing in than they could productively employee (ghost airports being built, etc.) But they were not catered to. There were other countries in the EU that wanted low interest rates because they had a different set of needs. Within EU rules a country like Spain could not restrict the flow of capital into their markets, this created a massive property bubble.

(You can see on the graphs, where Germany is the blue line how Italy and Spain are having significantly more GDP growth through the early/mid 2000s. In retrospect, it is seen as overheating/bubble, not true growth. This was stoked by interest rates being too low for them.)

So this is the problem with being in the EU and being in the Euro. Local economies cannot have appropriate monetary policy for their unique situations. Fiscal union would solve this, but nobody wants to actually bail each other out as Pigletjohn has pointed out. So you have a situation where weaker countries cannot have monetary policy that suits them nor will they get fiscal transfers (they get something but not nearly enough) from more successful members. I think it will all fall apart in a messy way, or there will start to be transfers. Nobody in New York likes subsidising people in Mississippi, but it happens. That is true fiscal transfer.

Given this is where I think things are headed, I cannot see future that I want to be part of. I don't fancy being in the Euro and having our monetary policy set for us. I don't fancy transferring our money through Brussels in the form of fiscal transfers. And, I don't think we will find it very comfortable being on the outside of a tighter and tighter core, or being in the EU at all if the sh*t hits the fan.

See mine 18:12:21

hmm, no evidence.

You just made it up yourself, then?

" but nobody wants to actually bail each other out as Pigletjohn has pointed out. "

That is not true.

So you are quite happy for the "money fairy" to make an appearance now piglet?

surely the money fairy is your method of writing off loans without the money coming out of taxpayers; pockets.

Or have you been able to think of some other source?

Cute.

PigletJohn
Conversely you have no proof it wouldn't happen.
Once capitulation as the EU would see it ,we would be very vulnerable regards open borders being forced on us.
To vote Leave thus is wisest.
We must agree to differ.

Piglet is actually right. SerI oust "haircuts" have been made by financial institutions invested in Greece. When half their economic activity goes as part of the cash in hand type they got themselves into this mess.

The interest rate thing with the euro is agreed though, all of the PIGS countries were able to borrow at a far lower rate than they should have been.

Euro no, EU yes.

Really, Daisy

When Outists like you feel free to make up and circulate complete nonsense, and then try to justify it with "you have no proof it wouldn't happen."

That isn't sensible discussion.

You might just as well say "evil alien gnomes might pass a law making curved banana's illegal" and then fight off disagreement with your "you have no proof it wouldn't happen."

(BTW, the ant-foreigner story about curved banana's is pure fiction, just like the one about the 26,000 word cabbage, and all Boris's fibs. I'm amazed that the anti-Europe campaigners aren't ashamed to circulate these stories)

But John. . The mail said it. Got to be gospel!

Piglet John
I have never posted anything regards bananas.
You still are behaving in a naieve manner.

It appears you have not read my post.

I could never be naive.

The most Senior Official in the EU admits the EU interfere too much and faces collapse due to its lack of Democracy.
We had best saddle up and vote Leave out of this mess.
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662542/Brussels-interfere-EU-faces-ruin-collapse-Jean-Claude-Juncker-crisis-Brexit-Vote-Leave

We have no influence in the EU.
We are ignored.
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662422/EU-referendum-Brexit-Britain-outvoted-EU-Council-VoteWatch-Europe-study-MEPs

Discussion seems to have got a bit sidetracked onto the Euro - thank god we never joined.

Back to the EU - it's going to collapse in its current form before long anyway. The right-wing parties of Europe will promise and then hold referenda, and the people will vote to leave. The Dutch, French, Danes, Swedes, probably others too. Better for the UK to be ahead of the game and the first to go, rather than dither on the sidelines and be part of the subsequent chaos as others start to leave.

UK has far more influence in EU than thought:

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-idUKBREA0T18O20140130

Brexit crowd greatly exaggerate lack of influence:

www.wsj.com/articles/in-brexit-debate-u-k-s-lack-of-influence-in-eu-is-greatly-exaggerated-1458154337

Independent sources, not like the express.

Have a read Daisy, go on!

Owen Jones on Michael Gove:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/19/scaremongering-establishment-vote-leave-remain-fear-michael-gove?CMP=fb_gu