The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

A highly efficiant and productive country can make its way in the world. And have done for centries. The real EU agenda is a federal state of Europe, free trade is a fabulaous cover for the actual EU project. How many other counties in the world have to share a currency to trade with each other?

Of course you can trade with whoever you like after Brexit. But not FREE trade - that comes with strings attached, always. The opposite to "free trade" is not "no trade", it's protectionism. Which has historically been the norm. Free trade is the recent, and rare, exception.

I want to vote for a free trade zone (common market as it was sold to the poor suckers 40 years ago who voted for it) NOT a polical union.

I'm sorry you don't like your options. But it doesn't change the facts. The EU will not give free trade access to Britain without significant political concessions, because it would be extremely unfair to the other EU countries who do have to abide by all the EU rules. The EU leaders have been very clear and consistent that it won't happen, and with good political and economic reasons too. If you want free trade, your options are either to stay in the EU, or to stay in some sort of EEA deal that will give you most of the obligations and none of the decision-making power.

If you think free trade with Europe is not worth having to follow all the EU rules, then you can start planning an exit strategy that involves protectionist tariffs and trade agreements with other countries. This has its own difficulties, but that's absolutely fine, and fair enough if you want to vote "out" on this basis. But you can't have your EU free trade cake and eat it too. You just can't.

There's a lot of high falutin' stuff on here on occasion but mums care about where their child can get into a school and it ain't good with mass immigration.
This link is interesting.
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/661896/report-investigating-effects-immigration-education-schools-cover-up-delayed-Nicky-Morgan

Hover
You are a pessimistic defeatist.
You have no vision.

Do you really think to stay in an unelected,bureaucratic,undemocratic organisation is good.
I think not.

Goodness we gave Democracy to the world.

Anyone with any basic common sense never mind degrees will want to strike out of this ghastly mess that is the EU

I shall vote LEAVE most happily.

Hover
You are so patronising.Mums know about the Greeks but we implemented it.

Back to our infrastructure and schools.
Priti Patel has spoken of this.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544949/Schools-breaking-point-says-employment-minister-Priti-Patel-says-migration-EU-unsustainable-pressure-education-system.html

If our country is so bad why do so many people want to come and live here?

Hover
Calling the xenophobic card is not viable anymore.
You just want to close down debate.
You and your team love number crunching but want to ignore numbers when it suits you.
Have you heard the British phrase " You can't get a quart into a pint pot"?

71% of people polled think........its in this link.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661872/Poll-migration-EU-referendum-Boris-Cameron-Brexit

why isn't our wonderful and democratic government building more schools

And who will pay for all these schools?

Back to xenophobia again Hovercraft. Funny how most people share our concerns about immigration. Are we all xenohphobic? Funny that, I thought we just shared a degree of economic literacy and realism.

and accusing posters of wanting to close down debate is a way of wriggling out of discussing the very legitimate denunciations of xenophobia.

MNHQ quite rightly deleted one of the most obviously xenophobic posts.

why isn't our wonderful and democratic government building more schools

Because the money ends up with the EU instead?

Is Hovercraft playing the xenophobe card already? Get the week off to the usual start then.

When all else fails play the racism card.

Hover
Chalalala
Your agenda is obvious you DO want to shut down debate.
Democracy doesn't work like that.
I have a feeling you do not care for democracy.

Pretty ironic coming from you Daisy, since you have consistently refused to engage in debate on all EU threads! And no, posting external links and referring to "mums" does not constitute debate.

So, since you're so keen to debate now, would you care to contribute anything to the discussion above, regarding the trading options available to the UK post Brexit? Do you also believe that the UK will be able to continue free trade with the EU without any of the attached costs?

Daniel Hannan MEP: Nine myths about the EU

The second myth in the article above is "The EU is the world’s largest free trade area". Daniel Hannan MEP says:

"Actually, it isn’t a free trade area at all, it’s a customs union. This may sound like a technical distinction, but it’s of critical importance. A free trade area is a common market, within which goods, services, capital and sometimes labour can circulate without hindrance. Examples are NAFTA in North America, EFTA in Europe and ASEAN in South East Asia. A customs union, by contrast, surrounds itself with a common external tariff, and conducts all trade talks on behalf of its member nations."

"Why does this matter so much? Because every continent on the planet is now experiencing economic growth except Europe. Individual EU states can’t sign bilateral free-trade agreements with, say, China or India; they have to wait for Brussels to do so on their behalf. For a country as naturally inclined to open commerce as Britain, this is a real disadvantage, since we are in effect dragged into a protectionist common position by French film-makers, Italian textile manufacturers and what have you."

In his book "Why Vote Leave" Hannan points out that 79 per cent of business activity in the UK is "whollly internal", with most firms trading "only within a 10-mile radius of where they are sited." He continues "Of the 21 per cent of our GDP that depends on overseas commerce, 10 per cent is accounted for by trade with the EU, and 11 per cent by trade with the rest of the world.

"In other words, for the sake of the 10 per cent of our economy that is linked to the EU, we must apply 100 per cent of EU rules to 100 per cent of our businesses. And as we shall see, even that 10 per cent figure will soon be out of date. Our trade with the EU is in deficit and falling, while our trade with the rest of the world is in surplus and rising."

Later he says "European integration was supposed to make people wealthier, but the EU has fallen further and further behind in relative terms, from 30 per cent of the world economy in 1980 to 17 per cent today".

We're having one now, simply because too many xenophobes have been kicking up a fuss about immigration. If there were considerably more serious issues like political or currency union what is to stop the government of the day from calling another one?

At the very least its inference, Eels, inference. You seem to have written off anyone with concerns about immigration as a xenophobe.