Anyone putting any plans in place in case we leave?

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

I've just checked the EU referendum current polls and it's looking very close at the moment.

I wondered if anyone is putting plans on hold, or will change any plans they have if we leave?

Personally, I am wracking my brains to think of anything which will directly affect me. Although I wonder if there will economical turmoil and whether to plan for an interest rate rise (our very high mortgage). Which will in turn affect Dhs business.

If we remain, I'd imagine it's just business as usual.

Anyone have any thoughts?

If we leave, I believe that things will get a lot worse for those in society who need the most help. I will be preparing for the suicides of several friends

^^^ PEAK Project Fear ^^^^^

You must be a great friend to stand by while your friends commit suicide.

People who express ridiculous hyperbole like that simply disgust me

Night from me too.

Unsubstantiated?

I think HSBC, PWC, the Treasury, BOE etc are hardly unsubstantiated.

Thanks for the welcome.

Springing, that's totally out of order, and you said the remain camp were rude

Oh and stop shouting project fear. The Brexit side have been scaring people for ages with horror stories regarding immigration and its effects. It really is highly hypocritical.

Yes mutton. The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

PigletJohn, that's right, she's probably purified herself by acquiring a British passport.

Out of interest, aside of trade and economic issues, which are of course important, does anyone care about the European project? Does anyone think that the UK should stay in the EU because they feel European? I am asking this because I get the impression, from watching the debate, that people don't really care about the European project in itself, in fact they think it's a total nuisance and want to go alone and do their own thing.

Ah Mutton, you haven't come across this tactic yet? Posters like spring will be immensely rude to people and then claim that they are the ones being picked on, just like their brexit campaign leaders go on about project fear and then immediately start with the immigration scare stories.

Springing, in the other thread I made a fairly valiant effort to share some of the knowledge of EU law I have acquired through doing a masters degree in the subject.

I am delighted that the knowledgeable one can spare the time to enlighten poor thick me

You dismissed it as rubbish.

I had to - because it was. Pure, unsubstantiated Cameron-fuelled Project Fear nonsense.

You, I'm afraid, are the master of nothing but talking complete twaddle.

And I have to get up for work in the morning.

Night

What usually happens at this point is that you don't actually go to bed but sneakily make a few more posts.

Anyway, you have to stop running away from debate, You claim to be deprived of my optimistic vies on Brexit by the 1000 post limit yet here I am, all yours and you cop out.

Ah, the young No staying power

I think the European project has been immensely successful, think of a time when the major powers in Europe didn't go to war at all for more than 70 years and are very unlikely to in the future. Its been one of the major successes.

Lots of people I know are keen to think of themselves as Europeans.

I care. For me, being European is as much a part of my cultural identity as being British. Probably because I've grown up in a multi-lingual family, I've exercised my free movement rights by living in Europe (and met my partner in the process) and I currently work and study with people from all over Europe. I want to be a part of it. If the UK leaves the EU I don't think I will want to be here any more (quite apart from the economic impact) and will probably end up adopting my partner's country as my own.

Anyway, I really do have to go to bed now. (Yes Springing, because I have an actual job, which involves me advising people on EU law tomorrow. And we're quite busy at the moment, for obvious reasons.)

Night everyone.

Some quotes from

The deceptions behind George Osborne's Brexit report
Fraser Nelson, The Spectator, 18/04/16

"it’s his maths, today, which shames his office – and his use of this maths to make the entirely false suggestion that the Treasury thinks Brexit would make you £4,300 worse off."

"Deception 1. Osborne falsely claims that people would be ‘permanently poorer’ when he’s talking about the difference between 29pc GDP growth and 37pc GDP growth."

"Deception 2. Osborne then translates this reduction in potential GDP to household income..." "...GDP contains measures like the operating surplus of corporations; and all manner of other measurements."

"GDP per household, this bogus invention, bears no relation to household income. If GDP is divided by households it’s £68,000: nothing like they average disposable income (£18,600 per head, or £45,400 per household)"

"Deception 3. To arrive at the £4,300 figure, the Treasury divided GDP in 2030 by the number of households today. Arguably the most dishonest trick of the lot because, with all that immigration, there’ll be plenty more households by 2030."

I think HSBC, PWC, the Treasury, BOE etc are hardly unsubstantiated.

A nice little grouping you picked there Lurked, that are either:

owned by the Govt
controlled by the Govt
run by Govt appointees
management consultants providing paid advice to the Govt

HSBBC don't count - they're all over the place. Just big cushions that bear the impression of the last Govt Minister that sat on them

Hardly impartial.

Does anyone think that the UK should stay in the EU because they feel European?

No. Brexit is leaving the EU, not leaving Europe.

I think the European project has been immensely successful,

I don't think the impoverished Greeks would share that view.

I think of a time when the major powers in Europe didn't go to war at all for more than 70 years and are very unlikely to in the future. Its been one of the major successes.

Yep and it's all down to NATO, not the EU.

Lots of people I know are keen to think of themselves as Europeans.

I am a European. Unless there is a seismic shift in the Earth's tectonic plates I will continue to be a European post Brexit. What I am not prepared to be is a citizen of a politically united European superstate,

I care. For me, being European is as much a part of my cultural identity as being British. Probably because I've grown up in a multi-lingual family, I've exercised my free movement rights by living in Europe (and met my partner in the process) and I currently work and study with people from all over Europe. I want to be a part of it. If the UK leaves the EU I don't think I will want to be here any more (quite apart from the economic impact) and will probably end up adopting my partner's country as my own

You're young.

One day, around 2040, you'll be campaigning for Brexit.

Ah so the LSE? Oxford University? UCL? UBS? Barrack Obama? None of whom are impartial either? Its funny how someone has linked to a spectator article above yet any of the sources I identify are those with vested interests.

The BOE isn't controlled by the Government, its independent.

The reality is that the economic impact of a brexit vote is likely to be very hard on the UK.

Anyway, I really do have to go to bed now. (Yes Springing, because I have an actual job, which involves me advising people on EU law tomorrow. And we're quite busy at the moment, for obvious reasons.)

I don't. I'm free. I can spend all day in bed tomorrow if I want to. [grin[

Anyway, I shall continue to reduce your workload by ridding this country of EU law.

"I don't think the impoverished Greeks would share that view."

The Greek economy benefited greatly from being in the EU, still does and they got billions in loans written off.

Maybe if the Greeks you know actually paid some taxes then they wouldn't be in quite as a big a mess.

Anyway Springing, can you offer some other analysis which says that brexit will be hunky dory?

Itinerary, it's not quite the same thing.

You'd be "in" Europe as much as Turkey is. Or, as Gove predicts, the UK can aspire to be like Albania.

Being "European" is much more than beinglocated in Europe, that's why Brexit is so sad(and total madness).

Ah so the LSE? Oxford University? UCL?

Eu funded institutes

UBS? Barrack Obama?

Zero credibility.

None of whom are impartial either?

Couldn't care what they suggest although being told to REMAIN by the worst President America has ever elected is a bit of a bonus for Brexit.

Its funny how someone has linked to a spectator article above yet any of the sources I identify are those with vested interests.

Paranoia.

The BOE isn't controlled by the Government, its independent.

I know that. But the Governor hasn't had his knighthood yet, The former Governors who have received their knighthoods feel differently to the current incumbent,

The reality is that the economic impact of a brexit vote is likely to be very hard on the UK

^^^^ More unsubstantiated project Fear ^^^^^

Itinerary, it's not quite the same thing.

You'd be "in" Europe as much as Turkey is. Or, as Gove predicts, the UK can aspire to be like Albania.

I'd settle for bring in the EU as much as Turkey is. Turkey benefits from tariff-free trade with the EU. Turkey will soon have visa-free travel within the EU.

Gove DID NOT say that we aspired to be like Albania 0 which is actually in negotiations to join the EU. Gove said we would have a unique BRISTISH deal actually.

Being "European" is much more than beinglocated in Europe, that's why Brexit is so sad(and total madness)

^^^^More unsubstantiated Project Fear^^^^^

UCL, the LSE et al recieve far more funding from the UK than the EU. Why would their academics put their reputation at risk for this?

Obama is the worst president? Well that gives an inclination of your political standing.

UBS has zero credibility?

Yet Boris, Gove, IDS, Farage and Galloway do?

But its clear that your own argument is to go "project fear", I bow down to your superior critical thinking skills.