Anyone putting any plans in place in case we leave?

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I've just checked the EU referendum current polls and it's looking very close at the moment.

I wondered if anyone is putting plans on hold, or will change any plans they have if we leave?

Personally, I am wracking my brains to think of anything which will directly affect me. Although I wonder if there will economical turmoil and whether to plan for an interest rate rise (our very high mortgage). Which will in turn affect Dhs business.

If we remain, I'd imagine it's just business as usual.

Anyone have any thoughts?

It's not that small, about 8 percent of the NHS budget.

However when you consider that this figure doesn't include private sector EU grants to private firms in the UK it gets even smaller. It isn't the panacea to all ills that the brexit crowd make it out to be.

We've been given agreements that we can be separate from ever closer union.

Cameron's "renegotiation" is only provisional for the time being. It won't be effective unless it is approved by all the other EU leaders and incorporated into the Treaties. There's no guarantee that this will happen.

As for initiative and entrepreneurial spirit? Hyperbole once again.

Set against the suggestion that people are "too nervous of the unknown", I think it's a useful reminder that the British people do have a tradition of initiative, courage and entrepreneurial spirt, so there's no reason for people to be "nervous" of Brexit (unless they believe Project Fear of course).

Plenty of good reasons to be nervous of Brexit, IMO. "Project Fear" is a rather nasty little phrase designed to belittle and dismiss people's legitimate concerns.

‘Project Fear’ started as a silly private joke during another referendum, but now it won’t go away

As a phrase relating to the Better Together campaign, “Project Fear” first appeared in Glasgow’s Herald newspaper in 2013. According to a report in the same newspaper last year, a volunteer at the campaign’s Glasgow headquarters had coined it “as an ironic suggestion for Yes Scotland – a handy name it could use in its constant complaints about Better Together’s alleged Unionist scaremongering”. In others words (if I understand this right), it was a way of referring to its own campaign as characterised by its opponents – “a joke phrase”, as Shorthouse told the Herald, “that was all about poking fun at the Nats and their constant dismissal of every legitimate point raised by anyone and everyone as scaremongering”."

Should have been quote marks at the start of that paragraph as it's an extract from the article linked to.

Wherever it came from, I have to say I judge anyone who uses it in the context of this referendum quite harshly. Probably because people are generally being pretty unpleasant when they use it.

I just thought it was a convenient nickname TBH, I hadn't thought of it as "pretty unpleasant" before. It's not just used by a few people, it seems to be in the mainstream conversations too.

"It's not just used by a few people"

I guess there are quite a lot of people who want to avoid sensible discussion by throwing in a meaningless slogan.

Yeah, I guess if you are more on the Brexit side of the fence then I could see how you might just think of it as a convenient nickname. But I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who really doesn't believe for one moment that we would be better off out (especially from an economic point of view), and whose life would be very negatively affected by a Brexit vote due to my own personal circumstances. When people accuse me of having fallen for "Project Fear", I feel like they are sneering at me. There's always this implication that I've been hoodwinked by people with an agenda. Ironically, I'm usually told this by people who clearly know far less about the EU than I do, are recklessly making statements which are completely untrue without bothering to check the facts, and (often) can't even string a decent sentence together in English.

So yeah, it's now a phrase I associate with mean-spirited people who can't even articulate properly why they think we would be better off out.

OK, well I hope I didn't sound like that! I have no wish to be mean-spirited, just to have a good debate.

No, don't worry! I think it's just become such a common phrase to bandy around that some people now use it without thinking how it might come across to the people it's addressed to. And I don't think it really contributes to any argument. I think we should all be aiming for a higher standard of debate than that!

Mild eurosceptic here, who would prefer to remain as part of a reformed Europe, but realistically can't see it happening. The federal project being put in place by the elite politicians terrifies me - after seeing how the southern countries were treated under the Euro in the past few years, I an under no illusions about what to expect from the superstructure being planned.

That said, there will be considerable disadvantages to leaving, especially for trade and free movement (I actually quite like having educated Portuguese and Spanish colleagues, although I feel sorry for the poor sods coping with our climate).

Based on our past referendum voting record, I expect a close result in favour of remain - Brits are nothing if not conservative. And the grumbling will continue...

Do are you making plans, or do you think you don't need to?

Yes. I'll arrange a street party.

Yes, a party for sure!

I'm more concerned with what I will do if we stay in.

We are getting dual citizenship for our teenagers, both of whom were born abroad, to ensure that they have EU passports in time for university applications. I would not wish them to be obliged to return to the UK for post-18 study.

DH misses out on Irish citizenship by a generation, unfortunately. He and I are both going down the naturalisation route but it's unlikely that both of us will complete the process before July 2018. So we are preparing ourselves for visas and work permits.

I'm entitled to Spanish citizenship and will apply for it (live in Spain, have done for 16yrs). Probably wouldn't have bothered if it weren't for possible brexit. Unfortunately it'll take about two years so shoulda done it before now.

Yes, my street has decided that we will have a large firework party and barbeque to celebrate on Friday 24 June.

Seen the number of people who want to have a street party, maybe we should plan to move abroad altogether. That will be my DH and my dcs kicked out of their own country but hey ho he chose to marry a 'foreigner'...

Hyperbole.

What group of people has this country ever expelled in the last few hundred years?

None.

Anyone here pre-Brexit will be able to stay here post-Brexit.

And my child's non-EU partner will also have much more chance of being able to stay in the UK.

^^ this
Some of the posts on here are just ridiculous there is no suggestion that huge swathes of Europe nationals are to be forced into rubber dingies and shoved into the channel Project Fear indeed.

But EU citizens who do not have dual citizenship will eventually be at risk of removal unless some other agreement is put in place to guarantee their right to remain.

Unless and until such an agreement is reached, the default legal position is that after Brexit these people will become subject to national immigration law.

Can someone point me towards a policy document produced by the Leave campaign explaining what they propose with regards to the immigration status of EU citizens after a Brexit?

But EU citizens who do not have dual citizenship will eventually be at risk of removal unless some other agreement is put in place to guarantee their right to remain.

Listen to yourself talking about being at "risk of removal" from a westernised civilised country that abides by international law,

Unless and until such an agreement is reached, the default legal position is that after Brexit these people will become subject to national immigration law.

Nope. ^^^Just more Project Fear.

Can someone point me towards a policy document produced by the Leave campaign explaining what they propose with regards to the immigration status of EU citizens after a Brexit?

The Uk abides by international law - there is therefore no need for a policy document to state water is wet.

^^This is REMAIN Project Fear. Ignore