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Elderly parents

In battle with Social Workers over parents!!

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 11:23

I think I may have no recourse here but wanted to know if anyone else whose parents live in Northern Ireland have experienced similar.

Mum has Parkinson's, Dad has Type 2 Diabetes, both recently diagnosed with Dementia in November & December 2025, mum definitely in early stages, dad slipping faster. Both in a nursing home since January 2024 and both want to move back home with a live-in carer, I want the same for them.

They both washed up in a nursing home not of their own choice last January. I live in London and had been diagnosed with breast cancer 4 months earlier. At the same time Mum had had a fall and been hospitalised for those 4 months where she started to become disorientated. Dad visited her 3 times a day battling with traffic, hospital car parks and in between managing his own diet and medication. By the end of the 4 months he was frayed, then a hypoglycaemic attack landed him in hospital for a fortnight. End of December mum was discharged to a nursing home, Dad joined her a few days later. The plan was for them to get back on their feet, eat, rest and plan a return home. Then the interim social worker got involved. She was against a return home, mum was too unstable and would fall. She relented, they went home in February, lasted 24 hours, Dad had another hypoglycaemic attack, spent all night awake in A&E, mum was driven back to the nursing home for the night. Next day Dad was at home alone having not slept, woke 3pm and had another hypoglycaemic attack and was taken back to A&E where he spent another sleepless night. A&E did nothing except monitor blood sugars. The social worker held a "Best Interests" meeting 27 February, I was in the middle of chemotherapy so joined by speaker phone. The social worker opened by saying "well it's safe to say the return home was a failure" and ploughed forward getting District Nurse, SW Manager and Home Manager to say the same, and they all agreed that Mum & Dad should stay in the nursing home permanently. They pretended to ask my opinion (I held back as was shocked and no time to think through an answer), Mum and Dad were horrified at being spoken about in such terms and said as much, and the decision was taken out of our hands.

By May, I had finished chemotherapy, had had double mastectomy followed by lymph node clearance, and a new permanent Social Worker had been assigned. After waiting for her to make contact I eventually made contact some time during the summer. I had a good impression of her over the phone, I told her Mum & Dad wanted to move back home with a live-in carer, she said "maybe we do need another Best Interests meeting", so I waited.

In August I had 3 weeks of radiotherapy. At same time my parents were assessed as "lacking capacity" and my Dad was no longer allowed his jaunts to the local garage to buy his paper, but they didn't tell him this. I did but neither believed me. A few weeks later he walked to the garage, he was found and brought back, staff reported he had "absconded" to the Social Worker. They then called an urgent "Best Interests" meeting (no. 2) for 22 October, but didn't tell me it was about moving them to a locked nursing home, instead I believed this was to finally discuss moving back home. The meeting was an ambush, mum and dad were not invited as I discovered at the start of the meeting, reason given was they lacked capacity to understand what was being said. Statements from my parents were read out in which mum was quoted "I know a return home is not realistic and I must not allow my daughter to steer my goals". Dad went along with mum and was quoted "I'll stay here". A few days later I asked mum about this, her jaw dropped, she said "she must have asked a very carefully worded question to get that out of me", and both were clear that this is not what they wanted. At the meeting I was asked with no warning to provide a water tight live-in care solution, put on the spot I couldn't, they decided live-in care was therefore not possible. The meeting concluded with all in agreement except me that a move to an EMI unit/dementia unit was the plan. A matter of weeks later both were diagnosed with early stage dementia.

9 December a further Best Interests meeting (no. 3) was held to get a unanimous decision to move them to an EMI/dementia unit. I had hired a solicitor who attended, 4 social workers, 2 physios, OT, a cast of a thousand, but not my parents. Social worker suggested moving temporarily to an EMI/dementia unit so they were locked up while discussions took place about a return home, also to install a downstairs bathroom. I stated downstairs bathroom was possible, but I was very concerned that another move to a place that was still not home would disorientate and distress them further, but was convinced by the social worker that she wholeheartedly agreed and that it would only be temporary. Christmas Eve mum and dad were moved. They have both declined since. No TV in their room, no access to newspapers, no help to find the channel they want to listen to news, no help to set up their CD player, no help to re-orientate my parents when disorientated, no access to the outside garden (which is secured), no help with hearing aids or glasses which are vital to maintain mental acuity. They are being allowed to slip.

23 January (yesterday) another meeting, originally I was told to invite the Live-In care providers. Found out 2 days before the meeting they were no longer invited and it was to discuss finance and care plans. Quick smart we forwarded care plans and costings. Opening questions were have you installed a downstairs bathroom, how much money do your parents have and what can they afford, and social workers insisted they would only allow them home with 2 live-in carers doubling the cost, also they should have enough for a year minimum, if only enough for 6 months the social worker said she would block a return home. The social workers hadn't even bothered to read the quotes sent to them. No quotes yet for downstairs bathroom as I was under impression it was not a condition for returning home, no access to parents bank accounts yet (slow solicitors), and I do not believe 2 carers are necessary, some of the other specialists back me in this, especially the one who sees my mum for weekly physio sessions.

The crux of the matter is that unlike mainland UK, Northern Ireland gives no authority to next of kin because the NI parliament did not sit since 2016 and their care provisions have not kept pace with mainland UK. In lieu of next of kin authority, care providers have instead Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), and they wield this. Social workers seem to have ultimate legal authority and threaten legal action if they do not get agreement from family. Additionally, these social workers have dragged their feet since taking over in May 2025. We are now facing more meetings to discuss returning home, meetings about meetings, etc. The lead social worker obviously doesn't know her facts but will talk around the houses to disguise the fact. She shouts down anyone who disagrees with her. All the social workers are defensive and are so unhelpful in discussions with me. I can see a time coming when my parents will not even remember they have a home to go to, let alone know they want to live in it.

My solicitor admits I just have to jump through the hoops they make for me, meantime he is getting written confirmation of my status as "Nominated Person". He is disgusted at the treatment given to both my parents and to me. The physio who said downstairs bathroom useful but not a condition and that parents need only one carer "and at that, minimally" suggested official complaints to 1) Director of Trust, 2) Commissioner for Older People, 3) RQIA, 4) MP. Said to say Trust is responsible for their decline, that instead of reducing their liability they have increased it by neglecting parents' cognitive well-being, and that the longer they remain in a locked dementia unit the more adverse the effect on their health. My solicitors advises against complaints procedure for now.

Has anyone experienced anything similar, can anyone suggest any possible way out of the deadlock? The social workers would like to lock them up and throw away the key. My parents are retired teachers, they have given to others all their working lives, paid their taxes, they are grandparents and have life to live. I cannot believe that this can happen in a 1st world country, I'm contemplating adding to my Will that social services never by default get their hands on me. This is a great advert for assisted dying.

Thank you for reading this.

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Mrstiggywiddle · 25/01/2026 21:25

SurferRona · 25/01/2026 21:06

You are correct, but there are routes to appeal:

Here are the key details for DoLS in Northern Ireland:

  • Authorisation Process: Rather than a court, DoLS applications in NI are authorized by Trust Panels (within Health and Social Care Trusts), which are responsible for checking if a person’s liberty is being restricted in their best interests in hospitals or care homes.
  • Legal Framework: The Mental Capacity Act (NI) 2016 applies specifically to Northern Ireland, covering both mental health and mental capacity.
  • Challenges/Appeals: If a person or their representative wishes to challenge a DoL authorization in Northern Ireland, they can raise it to a Review Tribunal.
  • Exceptions: While the specialized Court of Protection does not exist there, complex, high-level legal questions about capacity or deprivation of liberty can still be referred to the High Court.

This is massively helpful thank you. Solicitor already onto this but to see it spelt out like that is very useful. Thank you again.

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ThePure · 25/01/2026 21:26

I had a Google of it too and the role of the RPR and the right to challenge a DoLs is the same in NI as the PP said just it’s a review tribunal and not the CoP you go to. It also says that you as an unpaid RPR have a right to the assistance of an IMCA. You need to tell whoever you are dealing with that you wish to exercise your rights as RPR and have an IMCA (then you don’t need to pay a lawyer). You clearly do believe that the deprivation of liberty is not in your parents best interests (that is the fundamental issue not their capacity) and as such you have a right to challenge it on their behalf.

Mrstiggywiddle · 25/01/2026 21:29

ThePure · 25/01/2026 21:20

Can’t massively understand the bathroom obsession either. A commode and someone to empty it/ assist with a strip wash has always been considered sufficient in cases I have come across. Generally paying lots of money for major renovations for very elderly frail people in their twilight years does not go well and they very often get little or no use out of it.

Yes, agree. Mum recently told me she has wanted a downstairs bathroom for a little while now. Others are absolutely right about not doing building work while they are living there. Funnily enough an estate agent told me it would only add value to the house. I think as long as I keep mum and dad involved in decisions it would be worth while, depending on whether the rest all works out. Thanks again for this.

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ThePure · 25/01/2026 21:31

I have been required to do capacity and BI assessments for the CoP in England in such cases (for free in my job not paid) and cases have gone to court that are a lot less valid than this usually via paid RPRs who it often feels need to justify their existence. The trouble is that a court process takes so long that often the person has deteriorated by the time they actually get released. It should put pressure on the authorities though as no one wants a court case and endless reports.

Yourcousinrachel · 26/01/2026 00:41

SurferRona · 24/01/2026 17:38

You should also commission a private older persons social worker to review and report, and under DoLS each of your parents should have had an independent advocate (IMCA) appointed to assess each of them to advocate for them as part of the DoLS assessment. Did this happen? You need to get going on a decent solicitor and challenge to the Court of Appeal. Does NI have a Court of Protection? If there is no LPA for H&W, the CoP plays a role there.

Google says re IMCAs in NI: Northern Ireland Services: Bryson Independent Advocacy Service supports vulnerable people in Northern Ireland, including those in Muckamore Abbey and those referred by Health & Social Care Trusts.

. The funding issue is key too I’m afraid, this is a hard thing to do, and even harder from a distance. Have your parents any other relatives nearby? Boots on the ground really help here.

Edited, what i was going to say already mentioned sorry.

Sohelpmegod25 · 26/01/2026 01:38

Oh op this ll sounds really stressful and upsetting for you and I’m so sorry to hear you’ve been so poorly yourself; however I get where the social workers are coming from having had carers for elderly relatives myself - both parents, a great aunt and my nanna.

realistically you’d need 24/7 care with their needs and with 2 of them you’d need 2 carers at anyone time. If you ran a 7-7 days and nights x 2 shifts a day x 2 people per shift that is 48 hrs care x 7 days = 336hrs care x £20 an hour is £6720 per week minimum!!!!

care round here is about £20 per hour no idea In Northern Ireland this is for a “carer” but “nursing care” is more

if you used an agency it could be more and for that number of hours it would be difficult to recruit yourself. We also made sure carers had food during shifts, ate regularly and that there was soft drinks, tea, coffee, snacks and paid expenses like fuel, lunches trips out. Agency charge more for nights and weekends and bank holidays often

I would say unless they’re absolutely loaded this wouldn’t be ideal - none of my relatives needed 24/7 cars at home so it was more manageable, and when that time came, they went to a nursing home which is properly staffed all the time as you also have to factor in if one of the core team you have is then poorly.

Its very hard when they’re saying “I want to be at home” but sometimes it’s not practical and if social workers/ hospitals/ care homes make unsafe discharges that are safeguarding risks they can end up in all sorts of trouble as they have a duty of care.

Crwysmam · 26/01/2026 01:46

Firstly I’m sorry to hear about your own health, I’m a breast cancer survivor and i understand how it really has complicated the situation with your parents.

Unfortunately you were unable to be physically present when your parents ended up in the position they are in and currently you are probably not in a position to spend time with them at home to fully assess and appreciate their day to day needs and how their health conditions are progressing.

In the early stages of dementia individuals are very aware of the cognitive decline and are able to mask symptoms for short periods of time. It can be very frustrating when you ask for assessment and they pass all the tests with flying colours but as a live in carer you are faced with the behaviour, accidents and repetitiveness 24/7.

My DH had a stroke not long after I finished treatment for breast cancer. To the outside world he is back to normal but behind closed doors he can’t keep up the act very long. His cognitive damage is not progressive, currently , but it does cause problems for everyday life.

I think that to make a decision objectively you need to live with them for a week. 24hrs is not sufficient to base your case on. It may be possible to have a live in carer but it would be a team of three different carers working 8hr shifts. And the team may change on a daily or weekly basis. This may not be ideal in your parents case.

My DF had Lews body dementia and was looked after at home for 12 mnths before he had to go into a nursing home. It worked well and the carers were a good team. Ultimately it was the lack of downstairs bathroom which necessitated the move. There was a downstairs loo with plenty of room and a downstairs bedroom could have been set up but the logistics of kitting out the downstairs loo with a wet room style shower so a wheelchair could be used would have taken too long. The access to the house from the car would have needed a lot of work to make it wheelchair accessible.

I think to satisfy yourself that the SW haven’t jumped the gun you need to organise to care for your parents for a week or two. If just one of them had dementia it’s likely that they could probably have muddled along with a team of part time carers. But both have specific needs that dementia impacts negatively on.

Currently you are seeing just snapshots of them and not experiencing the full impact of good days versus bad days or the speed with which they may be deteriorating.

From your initial post I’m assuming that your DF is using insulin so monitoring his glucose levels is really vital. Carers need to be specially trained in order to care for a diabetic. And as other posters have touched on, caring for a person who is a regular faller is drought with rules and regulations. You can’t just pick them up and dust them off.

If you persue the care at home plan you need to make sure that the care providers are able to care for a diabetic and that they have a robust policy regarding falls. As dementia progresses the ability to identify and describe pain becomes a problem. I once had a patient who had a sore mouth. Claimed he didn’t have a denture but after 12 mnths of trying to work out what was wrong we found out he was taking his denture out just before he entered and had forgotten by the time he entered the surgery. In leaving g he obviously checked his pocket found the denture and put it back in.

Cognitive degeneration differs from one person to another. A friends father, who lived in their annex would ask me to sit next to him at a meal so that he could ask me if he’d already told a certain story or joke. The family who didn’t see him often were unaware of how bad his dementia was because he was initially very clever at hiding it. It was frustrating for my friend because they were opposed to extra care or a care home. In that case it was financially motivated because he was loaded.

ThePure · 26/01/2026 01:53

Another thing I have seen to happen where one party has dementia and the other is frail is that dad might resent the carer doing things for mum he sees as ‘his job’ but can’t do any more or he might try to get her off the floor or out of a chair unsafely or react aggressively to things like a male carer (and that’s a possibility with shortages) helping his wife to wash or dress.

There’s a lot of dynamics that make this a tricky set up.

Muffinmam · 26/01/2026 05:07

Every time your parents are admitted to hospital they put a strain on public resources. Your parents are unable to live by themselves. One carer won’t be able to work 7 days a week / 24 hours a day.

CJ50Mum · 26/01/2026 06:44

You mention about your mum & Dad in the nursing home not getting much attention from staff in regards to interaction with TV/newspapers etc. Would it be worth paying a private carer to go in every day at visiting time to spend time, 1-2 hours with them socially, make sure hearing aids are in etc & keep u updated, if u think that may help your mum & dad

CJ50Mum · 26/01/2026 06:49

It does sound like if they were at home they'd need 2 carers especially if your parents are both mobile , what if one carer needs the toilet/needs a rest or a sleep. One carer on their own will burn out very quickly. I'm a nurse & I've seen great live in carers but they are hard to get, expensive & you'd need a team of at least 4 to cover holidays etc. The live in carers I've seen were from bluebird care. There's also a great Facebook page called direct payments NI, might get good advice there

Lana878787 · 26/01/2026 07:34

Hey, im not from your country but strangely was just chatting to an OT about this very thing today. I work in mental health so have understanding of the hospital system and care meetings etc. Objectively I think its fair for them to request 2 carers since both have dementia and may decline significantly. I also think its reasonable to ask to have a bathroom fitted given that they will likely have issues accessing the bathroom and carers will likely require easy access to bathroom and showering facilities for your parents. What i dont think is far is that the social worker has miswritten case notes to suit her own narrative. This is really, really wrong. You should put in a formal complaint to the hospital to discuss this matter and have someone else come in to overlook this decision but also be aware that they do need to act in your parents best interests due to duty of care so if they dont have the money to cover services then they wont use this as an.option. They also can"t use you as an option if you are still going through the whole cancer treatment journey as this won't be seen as a viable option untill in remission.

HappyFiveTails · 26/01/2026 08:11

Unfortunately without power of attorney it is very difficult for family to make decisions for people instead of professionals.

Also, it sounds as if not having the documentation ready in time for the meetings (access to parents bank accounts) and having adaptions to the house done, social services are able to reject the petition for a move home (which is very unfair, because it never matters when they don't do things on time, but sadly that's the way these things go).

I don't know if your dad is still hypo-ing but I am gobsmacked he managed to get admitted that many times with hypos- it feels likes the doctors did not appropriately adjust his medications in line with glucose targets for older people, and so have potentially harmed him. I hope someone has reviewed this now and given him less tight glucose targets.

From what you have said, I don't know why an EMI home would be required. Places in those are sooooooo hard to get, so they are usually reserved for people with difficult to manage care needs, like aggression or sexually inappropriate behaviour etc. if their dementia is mild and none of those behaviours, it doesn't make sense why they have had to go EMI so it feels potentially like their dementia may be harder to managed that it appears.

I agree with other people that given there hasn't been a sustainable plan for live in care provided, nursing care seems a fair conclusion for social workers. But the current care home does not seem to be providing good care, so it may be best to look for a better one. If definitely wanting them to go home, need to gather all the evidence- sustainable plan for live in care, reports from a range of professionals supporting a trial of it, home adaptations to account for deterioration in future.

Best of luck, for your health and for what is a very sad situation for your parents.

WMW · 26/01/2026 09:43

By the way, OP, any live-in carers won't be able to stop either of your parents leaving the house, at any time of day or night. As there won't be a DoLS in place.

Pam100127 · 26/01/2026 09:55

Hi
Sorry you are going through this.
There are a couple of specialised supported living units in Belfast, Sydenham Court in East Belfast being one of them. It catered for people with mild dementia.
My mother lived there for about 10 years.
She had her own flat, with open plan Living/Kitchen/Dining area, good sized bedroom, disabled shower and own front door.
Residents bring their own furniture and personal belongings.
The whole facility is fitted with smart technology sensors, so if a person leaves the cooker on, or appears not to have moved around during the day, staff check on them.
Care is tailored to their needs, there are even double flats for couples.
The main entrance to the block has a keypad, so those with capacity can walk to the shops (they usually suggest anyone leaving brings their mobile phone in case of difficulties)
My mother was very happy there and the staff called in often to check on residents, to administer medication or even just for a chat.
It really was a home from home.

Mrstiggywiddle · 26/01/2026 10:13

Pam100127 · 26/01/2026 09:55

Hi
Sorry you are going through this.
There are a couple of specialised supported living units in Belfast, Sydenham Court in East Belfast being one of them. It catered for people with mild dementia.
My mother lived there for about 10 years.
She had her own flat, with open plan Living/Kitchen/Dining area, good sized bedroom, disabled shower and own front door.
Residents bring their own furniture and personal belongings.
The whole facility is fitted with smart technology sensors, so if a person leaves the cooker on, or appears not to have moved around during the day, staff check on them.
Care is tailored to their needs, there are even double flats for couples.
The main entrance to the block has a keypad, so those with capacity can walk to the shops (they usually suggest anyone leaving brings their mobile phone in case of difficulties)
My mother was very happy there and the staff called in often to check on residents, to administer medication or even just for a chat.
It really was a home from home.

This sounds lovely, sadly my parents need more than that. It’s all ahead of us.

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JillMW · 26/01/2026 10:28

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:56

yes it's a hard job, I did it for one night and one day. Yes, private bedroom. Work breaks covered by agency. If mum falls, either she's driven to A&E with dad in the car (they follow each other everywhere anyway), or ambulance takes her (I know which will be quicker).

I am so sorry. This sounds very tough. I don’t think based on 14 hours you have full insight. Perhaps if you had stayed for a month you would have a clearer picture.Some of what you are saying does not make sense to me, maybe you are correct. But this comment does make it seem like you are away with the fairies, sorry I know only my perception.
If a person has fallen and needs driving to a and e I really don’t see how the carer can do that and also take your dad along who has dementia and may have hypoglycaemia due to anxiety. Getting them in the car and the journey would be stressful, trying to park at hospital and then navigate one lady with mild dementia and a possible fracture plus a worried gentleman who has dementia would not usually be considered practical. Then what happens when the care comes to the end of their shift? Although it sounds like you think they will be working 24 hours a day seven days a week. You absolutely need to look at feasible care packages.
Sorry maybe I have misunderstood.
Would you be able to relocate to live with your parents? You could then oversee the care.
it is a horrible situation I know. One that many of us are struggling with. Much love

WMW · 26/01/2026 11:05

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:27

yes, i'm a bit surprised too. Perhaps these people haven't yet had to advocate for their parents or see that the person inside is still there, not reduced to a liability. Dad likes to go and do jobs, like gardening, like sweeping up leaves so his lovely wife has an easier walk to the car, like buying her shampoo or biscuits, or their paper, providing for her makes him feel good. So he walked 5 mins to the Spar, fairly regularly. Mum less confident, rightly so, she doesn't go with him. Once she did, she fell over her rolator, a passer by helped her up, she carried on to the spar, bought their paper and walked back. Quite an achievement. But not one she wants to repeat. The lack of capacity is true in that they couldn't remember the PIN to get out the front door, but did have capacity to figure out they could go out the smoking exit and through the gate. They don't have capacity to remember their PIN to access online banking, nor the capacity to manage their finances, nor the capacity to read small print, nor the capacity to remember how to work their CD player, but they do have capacity to know where they want to live, know they want me advocating for them and that they want a solicitor on board, know they want to go to church and miss their friends there. The dementia in my dad makes him struggle to find the best words to use, he's hard to understand a lot of the time, at the same time if you're patient you can wade through the excess language and get the gist, but the social workers don't do that. My mum's dementia might be showing when she thinks she's still teaching, but Parkinson's makes you have hallucinations too. She struggles to remember words but that is due to strokes that happened in 2024 according to Psych of Old Age. With social workers it's definitely one size fits all.

I just wanted to go back to something you said earlier in this thread:

Perhaps these people haven't yet had to advocate for their parents or see that the person inside is still there, not reduced to a liability.

It's precisely because a lot of us have been through this, more than once in my case, that we can see what you don't seem to be able to. We've dealt with all these issues, and we know how hard it all is.

know they want to go to church and miss their friends there.

I am sure it could be arranged for them to be taken to church with suitable accompaniement, even if they live in a care home under a DoLS. My grandfather did that. Sometimes it was me going with him, with permission from the care home, sometimes it was someone from the care home.

They don't have capacity to remember their PIN to access online banking, nor the capacity to manage their finances, nor the capacity to read small print, nor the capacity to remember how to work their CD player, but they do have capacity to know where they want to live

Do they, though? Wanting to live somewhere isn't the same as being able to live there. My aunt wanted to live at home. But she was entirely unable to do so, to the point that she was Sectioned for her own safety.

Mrstiggywiddle · 26/01/2026 11:45

WMW · 26/01/2026 11:05

I just wanted to go back to something you said earlier in this thread:

Perhaps these people haven't yet had to advocate for their parents or see that the person inside is still there, not reduced to a liability.

It's precisely because a lot of us have been through this, more than once in my case, that we can see what you don't seem to be able to. We've dealt with all these issues, and we know how hard it all is.

know they want to go to church and miss their friends there.

I am sure it could be arranged for them to be taken to church with suitable accompaniement, even if they live in a care home under a DoLS. My grandfather did that. Sometimes it was me going with him, with permission from the care home, sometimes it was someone from the care home.

They don't have capacity to remember their PIN to access online banking, nor the capacity to manage their finances, nor the capacity to read small print, nor the capacity to remember how to work their CD player, but they do have capacity to know where they want to live

Do they, though? Wanting to live somewhere isn't the same as being able to live there. My aunt wanted to live at home. But she was entirely unable to do so, to the point that she was Sectioned for her own safety.

Edited

Yes so it seems, thank you. And church would be possible from nursing home but much more straight forward with a dedicated live in carer. Lack of available family and friends has prevented this since mid December.

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PermanentTemporary · 26/01/2026 12:03

I continue to think that you/another primary family member not being on the spot is a huge barrier to this working. I noted one of the comments above from someone for whose parents it is working, lives next door to them.

I agree that a carer going in to visit regularly and get to know them is a great idea - if affordable.

Holesintheground · 26/01/2026 12:04

Mrstiggywiddle · 26/01/2026 11:45

Yes so it seems, thank you. And church would be possible from nursing home but much more straight forward with a dedicated live in carer. Lack of available family and friends has prevented this since mid December.

Would church members be able to help? My dad's church were amazing and had a rota of people who would pick up and take home members who were less able to drive there than they used to be. It did lift my dad a lot to be able to do this.

I'll say once more that all this expects a lot of the carers doing this role. It also includes now being able to drive them to places at specific times, eg church (not like a supermarket where you could choose your own time to go) and that will mean needing to know carer has an appropriate vehicle, insurance and so on.

WMW · 26/01/2026 12:07

Holesintheground · 26/01/2026 12:04

Would church members be able to help? My dad's church were amazing and had a rota of people who would pick up and take home members who were less able to drive there than they used to be. It did lift my dad a lot to be able to do this.

I'll say once more that all this expects a lot of the carers doing this role. It also includes now being able to drive them to places at specific times, eg church (not like a supermarket where you could choose your own time to go) and that will mean needing to know carer has an appropriate vehicle, insurance and so on.

Also it sounds like OP's mother would need to be in a fold-up wheelchair. In the end, it was too difficult to take my grandfather out because I couldn't get him in and out of my car, and into the temporary wheelchair.

Mrstiggywiddle · 26/01/2026 12:10

Holesintheground · 26/01/2026 12:04

Would church members be able to help? My dad's church were amazing and had a rota of people who would pick up and take home members who were less able to drive there than they used to be. It did lift my dad a lot to be able to do this.

I'll say once more that all this expects a lot of the carers doing this role. It also includes now being able to drive them to places at specific times, eg church (not like a supermarket where you could choose your own time to go) and that will mean needing to know carer has an appropriate vehicle, insurance and so on.

Yes I’ve been in touch with them and they are keen, although their own commitments plus the deluge of elderly people needing lifts are constraining them. Church could do with a minibus service! Yes it’s a lot for a live in carer. So far 3 providers have said they can do it, acknowledging that this is in theory still.

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Mrstiggywiddle · 26/01/2026 12:17

I just want to thank every one of you for supplying your thoughts and experiences here. I’m seeing this is a very relevant topic for sadly a large large number of grown up children. I’ve taken on board the warnings, the real life experiences. It’s been hugely helpful, and upsetting at times to read. But that is life, literally. I cannot reply to each person, but know please that I am very grateful. It also looks like the comments here serve more than just me and are useful to other Mumsnetters. Im still reading comments as they come in. Things I omitted in original post: they no longer drive, carers can come with their own car, neither need a wheelchair (yet), carer providers have organised a rota, of course it’s expensive but no more so than current nursing home fees. Just some things I noticed were being commented on. Can’t remember them all. It’s not all ironed out by a long stretch.

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WMW · 26/01/2026 12:28

This is what makes me think that taking your Mum out would need to involve a fold-up wheelchair:

Mum less confident, rightly so, she doesn't go with him. Once she did, she fell over her rolator, a passer by helped her up, she carried on to the spar, bought their paper and walked back. Quite an achievement. But not one she wants to repeat.

It sounds like even a Zimmer frame wouldn't be steady/sturdy enough for her.

Can you pay for carers to take your parents to church each week in an accessible car? With the correct permission/conditions under their DoLS.

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