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Elderly parents

In battle with Social Workers over parents!!

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 11:23

I think I may have no recourse here but wanted to know if anyone else whose parents live in Northern Ireland have experienced similar.

Mum has Parkinson's, Dad has Type 2 Diabetes, both recently diagnosed with Dementia in November & December 2025, mum definitely in early stages, dad slipping faster. Both in a nursing home since January 2024 and both want to move back home with a live-in carer, I want the same for them.

They both washed up in a nursing home not of their own choice last January. I live in London and had been diagnosed with breast cancer 4 months earlier. At the same time Mum had had a fall and been hospitalised for those 4 months where she started to become disorientated. Dad visited her 3 times a day battling with traffic, hospital car parks and in between managing his own diet and medication. By the end of the 4 months he was frayed, then a hypoglycaemic attack landed him in hospital for a fortnight. End of December mum was discharged to a nursing home, Dad joined her a few days later. The plan was for them to get back on their feet, eat, rest and plan a return home. Then the interim social worker got involved. She was against a return home, mum was too unstable and would fall. She relented, they went home in February, lasted 24 hours, Dad had another hypoglycaemic attack, spent all night awake in A&E, mum was driven back to the nursing home for the night. Next day Dad was at home alone having not slept, woke 3pm and had another hypoglycaemic attack and was taken back to A&E where he spent another sleepless night. A&E did nothing except monitor blood sugars. The social worker held a "Best Interests" meeting 27 February, I was in the middle of chemotherapy so joined by speaker phone. The social worker opened by saying "well it's safe to say the return home was a failure" and ploughed forward getting District Nurse, SW Manager and Home Manager to say the same, and they all agreed that Mum & Dad should stay in the nursing home permanently. They pretended to ask my opinion (I held back as was shocked and no time to think through an answer), Mum and Dad were horrified at being spoken about in such terms and said as much, and the decision was taken out of our hands.

By May, I had finished chemotherapy, had had double mastectomy followed by lymph node clearance, and a new permanent Social Worker had been assigned. After waiting for her to make contact I eventually made contact some time during the summer. I had a good impression of her over the phone, I told her Mum & Dad wanted to move back home with a live-in carer, she said "maybe we do need another Best Interests meeting", so I waited.

In August I had 3 weeks of radiotherapy. At same time my parents were assessed as "lacking capacity" and my Dad was no longer allowed his jaunts to the local garage to buy his paper, but they didn't tell him this. I did but neither believed me. A few weeks later he walked to the garage, he was found and brought back, staff reported he had "absconded" to the Social Worker. They then called an urgent "Best Interests" meeting (no. 2) for 22 October, but didn't tell me it was about moving them to a locked nursing home, instead I believed this was to finally discuss moving back home. The meeting was an ambush, mum and dad were not invited as I discovered at the start of the meeting, reason given was they lacked capacity to understand what was being said. Statements from my parents were read out in which mum was quoted "I know a return home is not realistic and I must not allow my daughter to steer my goals". Dad went along with mum and was quoted "I'll stay here". A few days later I asked mum about this, her jaw dropped, she said "she must have asked a very carefully worded question to get that out of me", and both were clear that this is not what they wanted. At the meeting I was asked with no warning to provide a water tight live-in care solution, put on the spot I couldn't, they decided live-in care was therefore not possible. The meeting concluded with all in agreement except me that a move to an EMI unit/dementia unit was the plan. A matter of weeks later both were diagnosed with early stage dementia.

9 December a further Best Interests meeting (no. 3) was held to get a unanimous decision to move them to an EMI/dementia unit. I had hired a solicitor who attended, 4 social workers, 2 physios, OT, a cast of a thousand, but not my parents. Social worker suggested moving temporarily to an EMI/dementia unit so they were locked up while discussions took place about a return home, also to install a downstairs bathroom. I stated downstairs bathroom was possible, but I was very concerned that another move to a place that was still not home would disorientate and distress them further, but was convinced by the social worker that she wholeheartedly agreed and that it would only be temporary. Christmas Eve mum and dad were moved. They have both declined since. No TV in their room, no access to newspapers, no help to find the channel they want to listen to news, no help to set up their CD player, no help to re-orientate my parents when disorientated, no access to the outside garden (which is secured), no help with hearing aids or glasses which are vital to maintain mental acuity. They are being allowed to slip.

23 January (yesterday) another meeting, originally I was told to invite the Live-In care providers. Found out 2 days before the meeting they were no longer invited and it was to discuss finance and care plans. Quick smart we forwarded care plans and costings. Opening questions were have you installed a downstairs bathroom, how much money do your parents have and what can they afford, and social workers insisted they would only allow them home with 2 live-in carers doubling the cost, also they should have enough for a year minimum, if only enough for 6 months the social worker said she would block a return home. The social workers hadn't even bothered to read the quotes sent to them. No quotes yet for downstairs bathroom as I was under impression it was not a condition for returning home, no access to parents bank accounts yet (slow solicitors), and I do not believe 2 carers are necessary, some of the other specialists back me in this, especially the one who sees my mum for weekly physio sessions.

The crux of the matter is that unlike mainland UK, Northern Ireland gives no authority to next of kin because the NI parliament did not sit since 2016 and their care provisions have not kept pace with mainland UK. In lieu of next of kin authority, care providers have instead Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), and they wield this. Social workers seem to have ultimate legal authority and threaten legal action if they do not get agreement from family. Additionally, these social workers have dragged their feet since taking over in May 2025. We are now facing more meetings to discuss returning home, meetings about meetings, etc. The lead social worker obviously doesn't know her facts but will talk around the houses to disguise the fact. She shouts down anyone who disagrees with her. All the social workers are defensive and are so unhelpful in discussions with me. I can see a time coming when my parents will not even remember they have a home to go to, let alone know they want to live in it.

My solicitor admits I just have to jump through the hoops they make for me, meantime he is getting written confirmation of my status as "Nominated Person". He is disgusted at the treatment given to both my parents and to me. The physio who said downstairs bathroom useful but not a condition and that parents need only one carer "and at that, minimally" suggested official complaints to 1) Director of Trust, 2) Commissioner for Older People, 3) RQIA, 4) MP. Said to say Trust is responsible for their decline, that instead of reducing their liability they have increased it by neglecting parents' cognitive well-being, and that the longer they remain in a locked dementia unit the more adverse the effect on their health. My solicitors advises against complaints procedure for now.

Has anyone experienced anything similar, can anyone suggest any possible way out of the deadlock? The social workers would like to lock them up and throw away the key. My parents are retired teachers, they have given to others all their working lives, paid their taxes, they are grandparents and have life to live. I cannot believe that this can happen in a 1st world country, I'm contemplating adding to my Will that social services never by default get their hands on me. This is a great advert for assisted dying.

Thank you for reading this.

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Irren · 24/01/2026 17:46

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

FFS, if it's really too long for you to read, just don't?

Cheese55 · 24/01/2026 17:55

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/01/2026 17:15

Where I am the assessment is a joint assessment with health - different frameworks. Looking at NI I see social workers can do capacity assessments but I’m guessing they too would need input from health, so my mistake.

In saying that, the DoLs process involves a panel decision so not social workers alone making that decision so the idea that the social worker is claiming incapacity to get their hands on the individuals cash is a stretch at best.

The mental capacity assessments for care decisions dont involve health because it's a social care decision. Health staff make decisions about medical treatment. Doctors are involved for DOLs but doc and social workers can have different opinions.

lessglittermoremud · 24/01/2026 17:58

No practical advise but didn’t want to read and run. Cognitive decline does speed up where there is a lack of social input, I’ve seen it myself.
My DH Grandmother was able to stay at home, in the days that she only saw the carers for her visits she lost track of time, would forget things etc
When she had family staying with her for large amounts of time visiting her memory improved, she was more active because she was surrounded by conversation and encouragement to do things. She positively sparkled during those periods of time and was lucky that as she declined more her daughter was practically living there with a live in carer as well.
She passed away at home in the place that she loved.
The social workers aren’t emotionally invested in your parents which is why they are able to possibly give a slightly more accurate view about needs, however hard that it for you.
The fact that other professionals think they are being heavy handed will hopefully mean a compromise can be reached.
Wishing you luck x

Currymaker · 24/01/2026 17:58

Because your parents' dementia will get worse (harsh, but you know it's true), and their return home was a disaster, they're going to need a care home soon whatever happens right now.
However, it sounds as though the one they're in is awful. Some are really good, and I really hope you're able to find one. If you can, take them out as often as possible, either to your house or to go to places they've always enjoyed. I worked and had kids, but managed to take my dad out in the evening or at weekends a couple of times a week. To do this of course I had to move him to a Home near me. Good luck, this is all so painful.

LilyBunch25 · 24/01/2026 18:00

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

The whole post is necessary to understand the issue!

Mattieispregnant · 24/01/2026 18:00

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/01/2026 16:25

You do know that social workers don’t undertake capacity assessments?

A SW can complete a capacity assessment. There is a list of recognised professionals who can complete capacity assessments under the MCA 2016. There is always an accompanying form by a medic which also includes a capacity assessment, so usually 2 different professionals will be involved (there may only be 1 if a medic does the other forms too).

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:03

Changename12 · 24/01/2026 15:00

Can you not arrange for newspapers to be delivered to your parents at the care home.
When my aunt was in a care home we had a newspaper delivered to her there. We also had a couple of monthly magazines delivered.

yes done this, it took a few weeks for someone to actually decide to do it which was a bit frustrating, in those two weeks there was a noticeable decline in them both. They've had papers today and are much more with it

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:05

lessglittermoremud · 24/01/2026 17:58

No practical advise but didn’t want to read and run. Cognitive decline does speed up where there is a lack of social input, I’ve seen it myself.
My DH Grandmother was able to stay at home, in the days that she only saw the carers for her visits she lost track of time, would forget things etc
When she had family staying with her for large amounts of time visiting her memory improved, she was more active because she was surrounded by conversation and encouragement to do things. She positively sparkled during those periods of time and was lucky that as she declined more her daughter was practically living there with a live in carer as well.
She passed away at home in the place that she loved.
The social workers aren’t emotionally invested in your parents which is why they are able to possibly give a slightly more accurate view about needs, however hard that it for you.
The fact that other professionals think they are being heavy handed will hopefully mean a compromise can be reached.
Wishing you luck x

thank you for this

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:07

Currymaker · 24/01/2026 17:58

Because your parents' dementia will get worse (harsh, but you know it's true), and their return home was a disaster, they're going to need a care home soon whatever happens right now.
However, it sounds as though the one they're in is awful. Some are really good, and I really hope you're able to find one. If you can, take them out as often as possible, either to your house or to go to places they've always enjoyed. I worked and had kids, but managed to take my dad out in the evening or at weekends a couple of times a week. To do this of course I had to move him to a Home near me. Good luck, this is all so painful.

it's harsh, yes, and yes it's true and I know that. The return home "disaster" was due to a very specific unsupervised problem which could have been easily avoided. I haven't seen any nursing home that is good, even the pricey ones, they just have nicer curtains and furniture. Yes, presence and talking is ideal, it's hard not living in NI.

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Bababear987 · 24/01/2026 18:08

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:03

yes done this, it took a few weeks for someone to actually decide to do it which was a bit frustrating, in those two weeks there was a noticeable decline in them both. They've had papers today and are much more with it

Kindly OP you're seeing what you want here... yes they will have good and bad days but you have to remember it's a downward trend and it goes downwards fast and no medication or delivery of a newspaper is going to slow that to any real degree. This is a safety issue and considering you live elsewhere it makes it even more critical that appropriate safe care is found for them because there is no family back up

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:14

LakieLady · 24/01/2026 16:44

I'm not convinced that a single live-in carer would be able to provide the round the clock care that they seem to need, OP.

It sounds as though they would need two at the very least, with one on a "waking" night shift and a second for daytime. And you would have to have access to someone who could cover for annual leave, sickness etc.

And that's assuming that one person can manage to care for them both: what if one DP needed to go to the doctor, who would care for the other while they were out with them? What if your father went to the paper shop and got confused? Would you be able to step in?

I think it unlikely that it would be considered safe for one person to care for two people with such support needs. It would mean one parent being unattended while the carer is helping the other.

I really feel for you, OP. Both my DPs had dementia, and I was starting to consider at what point I would have to get Adult Social Care involved. Apart from the stress and anxiety it gave me, it was heartbreaking to see my very intelligent father, who'd managed the budgets of billion pound construction projects, not able to manage cash or reliably read a sequence of more than 3 numbers, and my ex-nurse DM, who was incredibly practical and independent until the last couple of years of her life, unable to work out how to turn the oven on or fold a sweater.

For me, it felt like a bereavement: the people that they had been had gone. ❤

I am so very sorry, yes a bereavement. Very sorry.

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:16

Ophy83 · 24/01/2026 15:42

  1. Do you agree with the assessment that they lack capacity? If not you need to get an independent capacity assessment to challenge this.
  1. If they have capacity it is their choice where to live, even if their choice is unwise. If they do not have capacity and you disagree with the local authority as to where they should live:
  1. You need a best interests decision to be made by the court. Your solicitor should be advising you of this.
ETA: I numbered that 1-3 but as soon as I post thenumbering changes!
Edited

very helpful, thank you, yes solicitor is basically guiding me through that. Thank you again.

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Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 18:30

I agree with a PP that your parents are very lucky to have you, OP. I don’t know what is in their best interests from this thread alone, but at the very least you are questioning the decision making process and ensuring their emotional needs are considered as much as their physical needs.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 24/01/2026 18:31

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 11:46

I’ve no advise but you’re lucky you’re parents got help. My mum is had a stoke and a blood clot on the brain over 2 years ago. She is very confused and can’t manage stairs
therefore She hasn’t had a shower or bath in over 2 years. We get no help. No social worker or anything, we have to look after her ourselves. She can’t be left alone and has to sleep in the living room with someone else sleeping there too. So if anyone has any advice for organisations to help would be great. Thank you.

You need a needs assessment from social services/ local council.

Does anyone know that you are in this situation? Have you made contact with adult social care?

They shouldn't just leave you like this, but you will have to kick up a fuss and explain that is too much for you to manage because if they can get out of helping, they will.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:33

AheadOfTheCrib · 24/01/2026 14:46

Hi OP
This sounds really difficult for you and I can tell you are trying to push for what you feel is best for your parents, but I fear you may be a bit naive about the situation. I am a social worker in NI, and just wanted to share my thoughts. Apologies in advance if this is long.

First the DoLS authorisation - this isn't the sole decision of the social worker. Your parents need to have been assessed as lacking capacity to make decisions about their care needs, and this will have to be evidenced. A medical practitioner will then see your parents, and will need to confirm their agreement re: the outcome of the capacity assessment. Your thoughts and wishes as the nominated person, as well as your parents previous wishes, will also be recorded and all these documents are sent to an independent panel. The panel will review the evidence, wishes, needs and risks, and make a decision on whether the DoLS will be authorized. Because you do not agree with the DoLS, the authorisation is then sent to the attorney general to review and make sure it is necessary, proportionate and legal. So there is a minimum of four steps where all professionals need to agree the DoLS is necessary.

Regarding live in care at home - this is absolutely an option for your parents, so long as you can prove their needs can be met at home and the majority of the funding is privately met (the health service does not have the budget to fund 24/7 care at home unfortunately). I obviously don't know the full information, but it sounds like your parents have been assessed to need a carer each, which is why social services are asking for confirmation that you have a minimum of two carers ready to start. The downstairs bathroom is a necessity, as your mum seems to be a high risk of falls and the consequences of her falling while using the stairs could be deadly. It's not that they are refusing to discuss home care, it sounds like they have discussed it with you and these things are what they have deemed necessary for this to be a viable option.

In my opinion (based only on the information you've given and my knowledge on the subject), I likely would also be recommending nursing home care for your parents.

Hope you get things sorted out and your parents are happy, healthy and content wherever they live.

Thank you, very valuable coming from an NI social worker. Yes I know the DoLS is a multi-stage process. What is most problematic is that wrapped up in DoLS is the decision that they lack the capacity to decide on future of their care, so the DoLS is very far reaching.

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:35

Bababear987 · 24/01/2026 18:08

Kindly OP you're seeing what you want here... yes they will have good and bad days but you have to remember it's a downward trend and it goes downwards fast and no medication or delivery of a newspaper is going to slow that to any real degree. This is a safety issue and considering you live elsewhere it makes it even more critical that appropriate safe care is found for them because there is no family back up

yes, you're right there's an element of that and I need to keep that in check. The good and bad days aren't completely unrelated to stimulus or lack thereof though.

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rookiemere · 24/01/2026 18:40

OP you clearly love your DPs and it’s hard because you’re in London and they are in NI. Do they get many visits from friends or extended family currently? If not then could you try to get them moved to a care home near you ? That way at least you would be able to see them on a regular basis.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:43

Daisychain700 · 24/01/2026 15:46

Also if you’re opening discussions for the plan for mum if she falls at home, this answer doesn’t cover it. Are you really expecting the carer to pick her up and put her in the car and get dad in the car too to go to A&E? I don’t know of an agency that will advise their workers to do that, as it could risk injury to both mum and carer.
Ambulance service are not resourced to cover frequent falls at home. She is likely to have a long lie where she fell before they could attend to pick her up and assess for injuries, and they won’t want to be doing this as a regular thing.

OK, hadn't thought that through. She's had long lies before. I had spoken before about a fold up chair machine which aids lifting a person off the floor, but warned if risk of broken bones couldn't use it. Thinking about it. Thank you.

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Z0rr0 · 24/01/2026 18:45

Next of Kin doesn’t really mean anything in legal terms, anywhere in the UK. The Mental Health Act applies everywhere. If your parents are both subject to a DoLS then they should have access to a Relevant Person’s Representative. That could be you, but it can also be a paid independent advocate. Your parents have a right to make a 21a appeal to the Court of Protection and their legal costs will be covered by Legal Aid. You need a solicitor who specialises in Court of Protection work and specifically 21a appeals, not just financial deputyships.
The RPR will support your parents to have their voices heard in the decisions about them. The CoP judge will make the decision based on the reports they receive from various professionals. The DoLS has to be the least restrictive option possible to safely meet their care and accommodation needs. If that’s at home with a package of care, the judge should rule to that regard. If there’s a question over your parents’ capacity, the solicitor can request new capacity assessments. If they were found to have capacity the care home cannot keep them and they can make their own decisions about where to live. Doesn’t matter what the social worker has decided. If it goes to a 21a appeal your parents can request to meet the judge before they rule. But in England appeals can take up to a year to go through the process because of all the reports and things needed from different parties and because the courts are overrun.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 18:47

AheadOfTheCrib · 24/01/2026 15:50

Vicious because they are advocating for the best interests and safety of older people? Behave

I'd imagine the solicitor is advising against complaints at this stage as it will not be upheld - social services have followed the law.
If SS continue to refuse a trial at home once OP can provide a reasonable, funded care plan for live in care, with risks identified and ways to mitigate these, then there may be cause for a complaint.

actually, advised against because he wants my energy devoted to the next steps. And the social workers are so blatantly self-serving, covering their backs, it's like talking to a religious cult. I think I said they have proven they lack experience, and zero empathy for my position. Really.

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Notsandwiches · 24/01/2026 18:48

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 11:46

I’ve no advise but you’re lucky you’re parents got help. My mum is had a stoke and a blood clot on the brain over 2 years ago. She is very confused and can’t manage stairs
therefore She hasn’t had a shower or bath in over 2 years. We get no help. No social worker or anything, we have to look after her ourselves. She can’t be left alone and has to sleep in the living room with someone else sleeping there too. So if anyone has any advice for organisations to help would be great. Thank you.

As long as you're providing care SS presumably think your parents needs are being met. Make a safeguarding referral. You are not legally obliged to provide their care.

Moonlightfrog · 24/01/2026 18:54

I agree with people who are saying ‘returning home will likely end in disaster’. Getting reliable carers in isn’t easy there isn’t enough carers to go around and it would cost a lot of money. As their health declines they will need more and more care and you may find once the dementia gets worse they may not be able to tolerate each other (I know someone who’s going through this right now). Of course ideally we all want to stay in our own homes until we die but this puts a lot of pressure on family and carers.

It’s also hard to get good care home places. My friends mum was waiting 6 months in hospital for a placement, she was then just given 4 weeks respite in a care home before being sent back home, she ended up back in hospital within 2 days and is now waiting again for place in a care home.

Christmaseree · 24/01/2026 18:54

Sorry you are going through this but I can’t see how them being at home is in their best interest. (I’ve been through similar with my DM and my sibling was obsessed with trying to keep her at home).

Bababear987 · 24/01/2026 18:55

OP can I ask why the bathroom hasnt been sorted yet or the 2 live in carers that are required? And why do you think they're better off at home?

HashtagShitShop · 24/01/2026 18:56

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

Because they have a DOLs in place. They can't just be removed.

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