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Elderly parents

Anyone else having to care for not amazing but not awful parents ?

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rookiemere · 16/08/2025 19:49

After another taxing visit to my DPs, I am wondering if it’s normal for me to be so resentful and churlish about what I seem to be expected to do. They are very elderly and live an hour away, DM is now pretty much immobile and as we are in Scotland she gets four carers a day. DF who hadn’t done any household chores for years is managing to buy food and make their meals, but his memory is going.

I grudgingly got them to accept a cleaner for a whole 2 hours per week, but everything else falls on me, although of course they don’t want to be a burden Hmm. Lots of things starting to go wrong so I feel I or DS or DH, need to go up once a week, but I hate every visit with every fibre of my being. Today was pretty bad, as lots of accumulated paperwork and had to tell DM and DF that we weren’t going to be doing their gardening but we would find a gardener.

I wish I could just walk away and wash my hands of it. Thing is they weren’t bad parents, they did the best they could but have always been emotionally distant but financially generous. I have cultivated a very superficial level of relationship with DF over the years as he’s racist and misogynistic, but so are many people his age, but now having to spend so much time there, I find it almost intolerable.

I guess my question or point is on here I read about abusive and narcissistic elderly DPs and people are rightly told to cut off contact, or the other spectrum is those who consider it a badge of honour looking after their DPs. I am somewhere in between the two, and I just feel they are expecting a lot considering the type of relationship we have. I don’t know if I am making sense or if anyone else relates?

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BruFord · 17/08/2025 16:01

@Bababear987 Getting them to spend money on cleaners and other support can be SO difficult. My Dad has a cleaner every fortnight, he really needs her once a week plus some other support but he won’t pay for it!

I’ve paid in the past but I’ve had enough as I know that he’s got enough money. It’s so frustrating.

rookiemere · 17/08/2025 16:41

Ivyfanclub · 17/08/2025 14:25

Yes me too. Maybe it was that generation? I see friends posting on social media about how amazing their Dad is, best father in the world, etc and I just never had that feeling.

DF is no longer alive. He wasn’t a bad father to me, but not particularly likeable either and I never felt very close to him. It’s quite sad really. I am sure he thought he was a good father and probably compared to his own dad he was.
When he got very ill it was upsetting, but then after he died I didn’t feel a huge amount of grief. I would definitely spend time / do things for him out of a sense of duty, especially as he got more unwell and his topics of conversation were basically his health and complaints about everything and everyone. He did accept cleaners and carers in the end, after a lot of complaining of ‘what’s the point in having daughters if they don’t look after you’.

He was racist too which I found difficult to stomach, he would say things that normally if someone said I would walk away and never speak to them again, but when it’s your father who is dying what can you do? I would just hope that he never voiced any of it to his lovely carers.

Do you think with elderly parents, part of getting their children to do the chores is holding on to the relationship? Is it a fear that if they get cleaners or carers in, that they will be forgotten? But it just causes resentment, especially when you end up doing pointless chores, or picking up the eventual chaos of their refusal to get help.

Yes @IvyfanclubI find it so odd when people gush about their DPs on FB etc. On Father’s day I try to find a fairly neutral card, certainly nothing saying worlds best dad. It was easier once DS was born and then I could buy cards to a grandfather instead. But certainly not bad enough not to get a card. I know he did the best job he could- it just wasn’t terribly good.

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Ivyfanclub · 17/08/2025 16:58

@rookiemere I remember that, trying to find a nice enough Father’s Day card that didn’t say ‘best dad in the world’ as it felt false.

BigSkies2022 · 18/08/2025 16:12

Hi OP. I'm not really responding to your question as you framed it, as I'm not making a judgment about where, on the scale from awful to amazing, my parents lie. But I have, over the last 3-4 years, become increasingly involved in my parents' care, to the point where my brother and I are feeling extremely stressed and over-burdened by the responsibility of caring for our parents.

It's crept up over a period of nearly 2 decades: began with sorting out pension credit and warm home discounts and admin like that. Then helping get attendance allowance. Then getting LPAs. Then helping them sell and move house to a more supported, but still independent and purpose-built retirement apartment near us (major red flag!), that is to say, a 40 minute drive for me, 30 minutes for my brother.

And it's just gone on for the last 3 years, more and more asked of us in terms of shopping orders, sorting out medical appointments (so many of these!) and ferrying them there, running around to pharmacies, furniture shops, food shopping, getting cash because they can't deal with the ATMs themselves, and are vulnerable in the street anyway; dental appointments, chiropody, managing everything and anything that needs internet access, picking my dad off the floor after one of his many falls, managing my mother's rages and threats of suicide when my dad wets the bed or messes himself, or drops something on the beige carpet. Persuading them to accept more paid help in the form of cleaning services, then accepting a carer coming daily. THey haven't been able to get buses or taxis independently for the whole time they've been living near us, so any trip to the shops has to be facilitated by us and my mum in particular is so frustrated and bored and angry with how things have turned out, that she's incapable of just relaxing and enjoying the outings we arrange - everything must be just so, the item she's looking for must fall into her hand immediately or else it's 'a nightmare, a disaster'.

The worse thing has been being so horribly close to the deterioration of their relationship. We've always, of course, been aware of the fault lines and imbalances, as children are; but it's just so continuously toxic and miserable now. I am full to the brim with the poison that just leaks out of their situation, and honestly, their deaths will be a blessed relief. And they have been kind, generous and loving parents and grandparents in the past. They've just lived too long, and they refused to make any real provision for real frailty and extreme old age.

We - my brother and I - have spent the last 3 months trying to organise my father into long-term residential care. He's in respite care, supposedly short term, but he's actually been there since the end of May. The local authority is hellish to deal with and we've had to fight to ensure that we get top-up funding into place and to exercise an element of choice of homes to keep him out of the shitholes that were on offer via the LA, who just lie about their policies on contracting. We're not quite there yet, although tantalisingly close - but it could all fall through still in the next 24 hours, and if it does, I really don't know what we will do.

The long and the short of it is that I feel we are deeply implicated in whether my dad lays his head in a decent, caring, homely environment and sees out his last days in dignity and comfort, or not. And that my parents have effectively shuffled off this responsibility onto us (while of course loudly protesting that we are not responsible for them, and they don't want to be a burden - actually, that's more my mum's line, my dad has always been a passive person,happy for others to take charge), and that is not fair.

It would be different if they had experienced a stroke or a disabling accident, or had lost mental capacity, but none of these things are the case. At nearly 94 (dad) and 88, old age has been a factor to consider and plan for for a good 20 years. But they didn't, not really, Mum just thought she would rage and tantrum and control my dad and get him to do what she wanted and needed doing, which is how they've always done things. Going into residential care was only ever raised in anger, as a threat. Dad just went along with whatever was happening, and wouldn't ever initiate a conversation about care, just lie in his own poo and weather my mother's storms until someone came along to sort it out.

I'm writing this as I sit here and wait, yet again, for mediocre bureaucrats to make their decisions and determine whether or not my father gets moved this week to a good, permanent, care facility. If it does, we move into a new phase of care for our parents, hopefully a much happier one. If it doesn't, GOK what we'll do.

I am very resentful and angry about bearing this responsibility, and all because they didn't really want to think about it, and didn't want anything to change, and left it too late to be able to manage the organisation and decision-making and forward thinking that it requires. But it's too late now, I can't walk away.

And so, OP, I am begging you to learn from this sorry tale and STOP doing for your parents and filling in all the gaps. I would recommend a hard conversation about residential care, and being clear that the time has come that they need to hand over the reins of their lives to paid professional organisations and carers because you can't do more, and you don't want to.

Do you think you can do this? Because leaving it too late will leave you with no choice except to abandon them to the decisions of social workers and placement brokers. And if your system is anything like the one here, that is a real race to the bottom.

hattie43 · 18/08/2025 16:44

My mum is a nightmare . She is 81 now and although currently independent she will do nothing to future proof her elder twilight years . She was an absent parent in the main always without fail putting her own needs first . Last year she swore blind id taken £20 off her only to find it on the floor of the car . She hasn’t a bean because what she does have is all spent on her expensive pets . She won’t discuss POA, future care / outsourcing gardening / cleaner . Adamant she’ll never need a care home . For my sanity I’ve taken a step back and she can just get on with it . I’ve told her I won’t be a carer and she’s not ruining my retirement.

rookiemere · 18/08/2025 16:54

@BigSkies2022thank you so much for sharing your story. What an awful time you’re having and the big sadness is that all this responsibility and burden effectively eradicates the good relationship you had before.

We are in a slightly different situation. DPs are financially well off so they - well me I suppose that will be - can choose their own care home when it comes to it. My friend has DPs in the same city and says her DMs care home is lovely, so I have pretty much decided that will be the one for them if needed. DPs are way beyond moving from their existing house to any sort of assisted living, so we have skipped that step.

I had a good talk with DH last night about it. He is worried about the impact on me, particularly as I am looking for part time work to cut down some of the stress, he can see that the DPs will just try and ramp up what I am doing for them if they see I have a bit more time. He has said that he will also do some of the visits as he plans to retire soon. I am resolved that whilst I will take on whatever admin bits I have to, I will not pick up anything that can be outsourced and will try - bar medical emergencies- to restrict to one visit a week from either DH or I. When it gets beyond that I will offer paid for solutions only. I managed to speak to their lawn mower man today and he has agreed to come do garden maintenance for them as well, so that feels like a tiny amount of progress.

Its awful as I didn’t think they would be like that, up until DMs fall a few months ago they kept saying to throw them in a home when the time came and they didn’t want to be any trouble, and gosh now look at us. I need to get some sort of resolution before winter as the drive is particularly unpleasant in poor conditions.

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BigSkies2022 · 18/08/2025 17:41

I’m glad your path will be smoothed by being wholly self-funded. Bear in mind that homes have waiting lists and limited capacity so I would have 2 or 3 lined up and make sure they can cover your parents needs- some don’t take people with certain kinds of dementia, for example, or are not registered for nursing/end of life care.

good luck - at this point you have some leverage by being able to withdraw your labour as your red line! You sound like you are very much in the boiling frog situation, but you can still leap free and insist that the help you provide henceforth will be devoted only to getting them into a nice care home.

SamBeckettslastleap · 18/08/2025 17:54

Without being crass OP, what is financially well off? Obviously no need to share but my friends parents are in a home that is costing nearly £150k a year for them both. They have been in there for four years and neither have any sign of being about to depart, despite there health requirements. (One physically fit but with Alzheimer's, the other physically unwell but mentally sharp)

My friend is beginning to be concerned about the future as they possibly have years left

HarrietBond · 18/08/2025 18:02

This is a good point. My uncle and aunt had to go jointly into a nursing home with high care needs and almost the entire proceeds of their home went on the costs - 900k.

Mrsbloggz · 18/08/2025 18:05

Personaly I find it easier as an only child, with siblings the parent can use a divide & conquer strategy. It's (potentially) easier to keep things under control if there's only you.

rookiemere · 18/08/2025 18:16

@BigSkies2022good point about the care homes. I don’t think we are at that point yet, ironically if they would just accept a bit more in house support then I feel that would delay it longer.

@SamBeckettslastleapthey have enough - based on average prices here - to cover about 10 years for one or 5 years for two, plus generous ongoing employer pensions to add to that. That should be enough to seem them out, and if not, put bluntly by the time the money runs out, I doubt they will even know where they are.

I have just spoken to DMs nice friend. Same age but still alert and jolly and interested in others - I know it’s not DMs fault she is ill, but she has never been a particularly upbeat soul. Her friend was saying that I definitely couldn’t do it all. I have noticed that those without DCs seem to make much more plans for their provision in old age as they know for sure they won’t get additional support. But who would have DCs to make them into your carer.

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Fairyliz · 18/08/2025 18:19

rookiemere · 16/08/2025 21:33

Maybe I am just normal.
I just dread every time I have to go there, I do it through duty and I feel very little emotion whilst I am there, I am mostly focused on working my way through the never ending list of tasks and then getting out again. I feel like I should be more sympathetic or empathetic, but I can’t.

Yep sounds perfectly normal to me, as it’s exactly how I feel.
I think some people have to pretend they love caring for their parents as they think they would be judged for saying ‘they get on my nerves and I will feel glad when it’s all over’ .

HarrietBond · 18/08/2025 18:24

rookiemere · 18/08/2025 18:16

@BigSkies2022good point about the care homes. I don’t think we are at that point yet, ironically if they would just accept a bit more in house support then I feel that would delay it longer.

@SamBeckettslastleapthey have enough - based on average prices here - to cover about 10 years for one or 5 years for two, plus generous ongoing employer pensions to add to that. That should be enough to seem them out, and if not, put bluntly by the time the money runs out, I doubt they will even know where they are.

I have just spoken to DMs nice friend. Same age but still alert and jolly and interested in others - I know it’s not DMs fault she is ill, but she has never been a particularly upbeat soul. Her friend was saying that I definitely couldn’t do it all. I have noticed that those without DCs seem to make much more plans for their provision in old age as they know for sure they won’t get additional support. But who would have DCs to make them into your carer.

I think a lot of us who have been in your position in our generation are also actively thinking about how they would spare their own children. We are both categoric that we will make sensible care plans. I think elderly people now are also often motivated by a desire to preserve inheritances for their children rather than spending the money on care but we’ll be having open discussions with our own children about that.

BigSkies2022 · 18/08/2025 19:20

In-home care, when it gets to the point of requiring multiple visits, alongside cleaners, gardeners, handymen, can turn into a full time job. It’s tiring and disruptive to have people in all the time and my mother felt very trapped in the home by the requirement to be on hand to let people in and keep an eye on them. Counting the spoons, so to speak. Plus my father was just as likely to fall over, wet himself, spill hot tea down his front, drop food on the floor, in between their visits as when they were conveniently on hand to help.

Residential care was long overdue- we’re all exhausted getting to that point and then the process of actually making it happen is more awful again.

yes to proper planning for the future- I have a brother and we’re able to support each other. But my DS is a singleton and no way am I going to inflict this crap on him.

Gingercar · 18/08/2025 21:45

Thank you for sharing this. It was so well timed. I’ve been really struggling. I’ve been caring for my mum for years. Initially driving her to hospital appointments when she couldn’t drive. Then going in the ambulance to A&E for numerous emergency trips. During covid she really went downhill and I ended up doing a visit a day with a cooked meal. This progressed to twice a day. I did organise carers for a year or two, but they mainly warmed up what I had cooked or ready meals, and I was still doing shopping, cooking etc, so I took over (it was costing a fortune too). She has got worse and worse so in the snow I gave her an ultimatum- move in with me or go into a home. She opted to come to us (reluctantly). We have just moved, and we renovated a corner of the house for her, it’s perfect. On good days it’s much better, but she keeps falling. I’m not sure if she’s perhaps just disoriented from moving, or if it’s her condition, but I’m now having to set my alarm for 2am so I can get her to the loo safety. It’s like having a baby! I love her and she’s very poorly, but I also think she’s got so used to me doing everything she doesn’t have to think or try. Sometimes I get really frustrated and resentful, and occasionally I’m snappy with her. If my dog was in her condition I wouldn’t keep it going. I feel a bit like I’ve lost me.

PatChaunceysFruitCake · 18/08/2025 22:38

@rookiemerei wanted to say two things:

(1) listen to your DH re going part time. I head up a large team at work and I try really hard to be a good boss. I’ve allowed several women in your situation to go part time because they just couldn’t deal with the pressure they were under with the caring responsibilities and everything else. From what I see it has impacted their pay and their pensions and in no way eased the pressure because they are just expected to fill the extra couple of days off they have with more caring.

I would think long and hard about whether part time work will give you any real benefit before you commit to that.

(2) hats off to you. I can’t be much younger than you, my mum is in her 70’s but still fit and well. I’m really not sure how I’ll cope with what you’re facing. She wasn’t abusive or anything like that but she’s never put herself out for me, when my youngest was born she didn’t even bother to visit, said it was too far to travel. I was so envious of new mums who had attentive mothers, helping them out with their babies.

I’ve got a really demanding career and two teenage DCs. I don’t know how I will fit in giving her what she will need but I know she will expect it of me. She’s as tight as a crab’s arse despite having a portfolio of properties in the south east. I can just foresee the rows and broken promises over getting paid help in.

BruFord · 18/08/2025 22:51

She’s as tight as a crab’s arse…

@PatChaunceysFruitCake 😂 I’ll have to start using that phrase to describe my Dad. It’s perfect.

Screamingabdabz · 18/08/2025 23:05

thedevilinablackdress · 17/08/2025 07:52

None of us signed up for this, and many of us are not natural 'carers'. Even those of you with children must find this a totally different scenario. There's so many hard emotional dynamics - we see someone once capable become less so and we imagine our own future. And we (I) revert to Kevin and Perry teenage stroppiness as parent tells me what to do. I have the opposite problem of PP whose mother wants them to clean the top of the kitchen cabinets in that my DM ISA bit of a messy hoarder 😕

This made me laugh as I do indeed revert to a stroppy Kevin and Perry with my elderly mother (90). I’m a middle aged professional woman but God she presses all the buttons.

I can talk about parenting teenagers with all the wisdom and patience in the world but that woman is such a trigger when she’s telling me how I should be living my life. She even tells me how to drive the routes to various local places in infinite detail (that I know in my sleep) even though she hasn’t left the house for years and doesn’t flipping drive!!! If I try to interject she’ll just start loudly talking over me by reading out the Daily Mail. Infuriating.

rookiemere · 19/08/2025 07:21

@PatChaunceysFruitCakethanks for your thoughts about going part time. I agree I am going to have to be resolute about not doing more, but as DH is gearing up for retirement and we are financially comfortable - I don’t need your bloody inheritance DPs spend it on yourselves is what I would like to say - it’s also to allow DH and I to do more holidays together ( if I can get away !).

I also don’t have the energy and determination needed to bag a good full time position right now. I did so well to get the contract I did this time last year, but it took a lot of focus and work on my part. I simply don’t have it in me right now, could be menopause as well as everything else. i have an interview lined up in a couple of weeks for a part time admin role and I will see how I feel about it. I am working on the principle that nothing is forever so I can ramp back up or down if I want to. That’s the theory anyway!

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rookiemere · 19/08/2025 07:26

And yes @Screamingabdabz after the first hour when I have exhausted my tiny patience levels at DPs, I spend a lot of my visits muttering FFS under my breath and rolling my eyes when DM asks yet again what this money is going out on their bank account- its the cleaner as she well knows - and complaining about the shortcomings of my DF, who to be fair is doing the best job he can bearing in mind he has been required to do absolutely nothing for the past 30 years.
All our lovely family dysfunctional family dynamics, out there in plain sight for everyone to see. I couldn’t have them in the house, I am not a strong enough person for that, hats off to those of you who are.

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Kyotoorbust · 19/08/2025 07:34

Wrong thread

Gingercar · 19/08/2025 08:48

Screamingabdabz · 18/08/2025 23:05

This made me laugh as I do indeed revert to a stroppy Kevin and Perry with my elderly mother (90). I’m a middle aged professional woman but God she presses all the buttons.

I can talk about parenting teenagers with all the wisdom and patience in the world but that woman is such a trigger when she’s telling me how I should be living my life. She even tells me how to drive the routes to various local places in infinite detail (that I know in my sleep) even though she hasn’t left the house for years and doesn’t flipping drive!!! If I try to interject she’ll just start loudly talking over me by reading out the Daily Mail. Infuriating.

My mum is very subdued and barely speaks nowadays, and that can still wind me up into Kevin and Perry! It’s like it’s so inground.

BeMintFatball · 19/08/2025 09:27

I’m a daughter, an only child. My mother will be 88 in a couple of months.

i am in the sandwich. I am disabled, I have epilepsy therefore can not drive. My mother is approximately 60 - 90 minutes away by public transport depending on the waiting times for connections.

I also have an adult daughter with learning disability who is still at home.

I hate going to see my mother. She is no longer the mum I knew. She has no quality of life. But she is refusing to see she needs carers to help her. She has had 3 life endangering medical emergency spread each 6 months apart. So far I have managed to get help in time. My fear is her dying at home alone land not being found for a few days. The guilt is real.

CloudPop · 19/08/2025 09:34

Just to chime in to say I’m in a similar position, and you all have my total sympathy. It’s hellish. And such a rubbish way for these oldsters to end their lives. This ongoing obsession that it’s great for everyone to live until their 90s or whatever is very flawed

rookiemere · 19/08/2025 09:41

BeMintFatball · 19/08/2025 09:27

I’m a daughter, an only child. My mother will be 88 in a couple of months.

i am in the sandwich. I am disabled, I have epilepsy therefore can not drive. My mother is approximately 60 - 90 minutes away by public transport depending on the waiting times for connections.

I also have an adult daughter with learning disability who is still at home.

I hate going to see my mother. She is no longer the mum I knew. She has no quality of life. But she is refusing to see she needs carers to help her. She has had 3 life endangering medical emergency spread each 6 months apart. So far I have managed to get help in time. My fear is her dying at home alone land not being found for a few days. The guilt is real.

That sounds so hard for you @BeMintFatballand and infinitely more demanding situation than mine.

Does your DM at least have a fall pendant to alert people if she does have a fall? If not she might at least accept that as it’s not intrusive like carers and would put your mind at rest.

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