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AgitatedGoose · 03/03/2024 21:23

SeriouslyAgain · 03/03/2024 19:17

Sending condolences to those who've been bereaved. It must be a strange time when the end has taken a long time to come.
My DM is still going. Months after the 'end of life pathway'. Haven't been on MN much because it just feels as if this may never end. I am starting to wonder what will happen if I die before her. I'm only in my 50s but it really feels as if I'm being ground out of existence.

My Mum also seems to go on and on. She's end stages Alzheimer's, doesn't respond to anything and has to have everything done for her. It's awful to see and I wonder how much longer this will continue. I've started to leave it to my step Dad to phone the home to see how she is because I can't bear it when the staff cheerfully tell me she's fine. How can anyone who looks like a breathing zombie be fine for gods sake.

Hoplolly · 03/03/2024 21:43

It's the same here @AgitatedGoose

JaceLancs · 03/03/2024 22:57

I’m nearly 60 and feel I’ve spent most of my 50s dealing with elderly parents - just as I’d sort of got DC through the teens and early 20s in my 40s
I wonder when I’ll get a break if ever?
So many friends of similar age are dealing with cancer or other serious health issues - I think will I be next - my arthritis has been awful in this cold damp weather and I’m still working full time and don’t ever see I will be able to retire

JaceLancs · 03/03/2024 22:59

Forgot to add and suspect I will spend my 60s caring for DM with Alzheimer’s - as she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon - which I’m grateful for at the same time as struggling with

CarrotsHandbagsCheese · 04/03/2024 00:21

I'm an only child to two parents with Alzheimer's, both of whom have lost mental capacity. I also have a 5-year-old DD with multiple disabilities.

I manage all their finances, medications, life admin and appointments, clean their enormous house and do their food shopping. My DH, on top of his full-time, full-on job, cooks for them 3 times a week. They refuse all external help except a meal service I’ve arranged for them on the days we can’t provide hot food and even then, Mum throws hers in the bin. The authorities don’t push it and seem satisfied that we can manage everything.

My dad can’t hold information in his brain for longer than 10 seconds, phones me every half hour to ask the same questions on repeat when I’m not with him, and frequently phones the police to report relatives missing who have been dead for 50+ years. He has never acquired any domestic skills and cannot learn them now that Mum has lost hers - he can’t even work the microwave. He’s convinced that his wife his mum, frequently hallucinates and doesn’t recognise his own home. He once had a high-flying career and is acutley aware of his cognitive decline. He’s so used to being the one everyone depends on that he constantly invents ‘problems’ he needs to solve - before we stopped him driving he was spending a fortune on petrol driving across the UK to visit long-deceased relatives who he was convinced needed his help. He can’t get it into his head that he no longer has a car and keeps reporting it stolen! Caring for him is labour intensive but at least he’s grateful for everything we do to keep him ‘independent’ in his own home. He begs me daily to not give up on him - his worst nightmare is ending up in care and losing his home of 52 years and everything he’s ever worked for. When I can no longer fulfill his wishes and when I eventually lose him I will be devastated.

I’ve long since mourned for my mum - it’s like she’s had a personality transplant she’s so removed from her former self. The only part of her personality that remains is her stubborn streak. She hates being around anyone except my dad and when I visit she’ll either hide away in her bathroom or try and shoo me out of the front door. She has no idea who I am so she sees me as an intruder and an interference. She’ll actively fight me if she sees me taking her dirty laundry away to be washed or trying to change her bedding. She’s recently stopped washing and attacks me when I try to help. Sometimes she’ll look at me with pure hatred in her eyes. She survives on cake and has become a skeleton. She’s lost the capacity to comprehend language or speak except for four words that she utters on repeat, out of context. Her behaviour is heartbreaking and terrifies my DD.

They’re both remarkably physically fit for their ages (79 and 75). Last year, my mum escaped from the hospital ward and wasn’t found for 6 hours - by that point she’d walked 5 miles across the city in her slippers with no coat in subzero nighttime temperatures. She was entirely physically unscathed and has no concept of the impact this had on the family.

She was the best mum I could ask for when I was a child, but all the light she brought into my life has been overshadowed by the hell she causes on a daily basis. Her mum also had dementia and lived an utterly miserable existence in a home for the last 11 years of her life. Mum was extremely vocal at the time that if she ever went the same way to put a pillow over her head because she didn’t want to be a burden on anyone and there were worse things than death. Clearly, that’s out of the question, but I find myself longing for her to pass peacefully in her sleep as soon as possible, so save her this dire indignity.

From reading this thread, I’m under no illusion that we’re anywhere near the end. No doubt things will get much worse, I just never envisaged we’d be in this situation so soon, when my first priority must be my additional-needs 5-year-old. I’ll keep trying for as long as I can, however long that may be. I feel as though I’m spread so thinly yet every time I feel I’ve reached my limit I seem to find new reserves of perseverance.

I’m not entirely sure what I hope to gain from posting, I just needed to vent. I’m so sorry to hear that others are going through similarly soul-destroying situations.

TheShellBeach · 04/03/2024 00:42

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese
I mean this kindly but it sounds like it's time your parents went into residential care. They're clearly not safe where they are.
And you have a small child who needs your full attention.

PermanentTemporary · 04/03/2024 06:30

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese I just wanted to acknowledge your post. I don't have any advice but wanted to say that it affected me to read about your life. What you're doing is extraordinary.

funnelfan · 04/03/2024 08:37

The authorities don’t push it and seem satisfied that we can manage everything.

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese i was moved by your post but this bit stood out. Of course the authorities will be happy for you to wear yourself out because it’s one less case for them to actively manage with their own stretched resources. However it sounds very dependent on you being available and what if you weren’t? I world encourage you to contact your local adult services and to think of it like back up in case you were ill or injured or unable to leave your DD.

It’s so very hard trying to keep elderly parents in the family home but the emotional blackmail from your dad is very unfair of him (even if he can’t help it).

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 04/03/2024 08:55

CarrotsHandbagsCheese · 04/03/2024 00:21

I'm an only child to two parents with Alzheimer's, both of whom have lost mental capacity. I also have a 5-year-old DD with multiple disabilities.

I manage all their finances, medications, life admin and appointments, clean their enormous house and do their food shopping. My DH, on top of his full-time, full-on job, cooks for them 3 times a week. They refuse all external help except a meal service I’ve arranged for them on the days we can’t provide hot food and even then, Mum throws hers in the bin. The authorities don’t push it and seem satisfied that we can manage everything.

My dad can’t hold information in his brain for longer than 10 seconds, phones me every half hour to ask the same questions on repeat when I’m not with him, and frequently phones the police to report relatives missing who have been dead for 50+ years. He has never acquired any domestic skills and cannot learn them now that Mum has lost hers - he can’t even work the microwave. He’s convinced that his wife his mum, frequently hallucinates and doesn’t recognise his own home. He once had a high-flying career and is acutley aware of his cognitive decline. He’s so used to being the one everyone depends on that he constantly invents ‘problems’ he needs to solve - before we stopped him driving he was spending a fortune on petrol driving across the UK to visit long-deceased relatives who he was convinced needed his help. He can’t get it into his head that he no longer has a car and keeps reporting it stolen! Caring for him is labour intensive but at least he’s grateful for everything we do to keep him ‘independent’ in his own home. He begs me daily to not give up on him - his worst nightmare is ending up in care and losing his home of 52 years and everything he’s ever worked for. When I can no longer fulfill his wishes and when I eventually lose him I will be devastated.

I’ve long since mourned for my mum - it’s like she’s had a personality transplant she’s so removed from her former self. The only part of her personality that remains is her stubborn streak. She hates being around anyone except my dad and when I visit she’ll either hide away in her bathroom or try and shoo me out of the front door. She has no idea who I am so she sees me as an intruder and an interference. She’ll actively fight me if she sees me taking her dirty laundry away to be washed or trying to change her bedding. She’s recently stopped washing and attacks me when I try to help. Sometimes she’ll look at me with pure hatred in her eyes. She survives on cake and has become a skeleton. She’s lost the capacity to comprehend language or speak except for four words that she utters on repeat, out of context. Her behaviour is heartbreaking and terrifies my DD.

They’re both remarkably physically fit for their ages (79 and 75). Last year, my mum escaped from the hospital ward and wasn’t found for 6 hours - by that point she’d walked 5 miles across the city in her slippers with no coat in subzero nighttime temperatures. She was entirely physically unscathed and has no concept of the impact this had on the family.

She was the best mum I could ask for when I was a child, but all the light she brought into my life has been overshadowed by the hell she causes on a daily basis. Her mum also had dementia and lived an utterly miserable existence in a home for the last 11 years of her life. Mum was extremely vocal at the time that if she ever went the same way to put a pillow over her head because she didn’t want to be a burden on anyone and there were worse things than death. Clearly, that’s out of the question, but I find myself longing for her to pass peacefully in her sleep as soon as possible, so save her this dire indignity.

From reading this thread, I’m under no illusion that we’re anywhere near the end. No doubt things will get much worse, I just never envisaged we’d be in this situation so soon, when my first priority must be my additional-needs 5-year-old. I’ll keep trying for as long as I can, however long that may be. I feel as though I’m spread so thinly yet every time I feel I’ve reached my limit I seem to find new reserves of perseverance.

I’m not entirely sure what I hope to gain from posting, I just needed to vent. I’m so sorry to hear that others are going through similarly soul-destroying situations.

Good god.

one of the reasons I find this thread so "useful" is that when I've had a really shite time of it, I realise that what I am putting up with is nothing compared to what some of you are dealing with and I can be grateful in a way that it's not so bad for me.

it sounds horrific, I don't know how you are carrying on but I guess you don't get a choice do you. You just have to put your cheerful face on and get on with it

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SeriouslyAgain · 04/03/2024 09:49

Oh good grief.
I second MereDint. I've been wallowing in self-pity for weeks, but what I'm dealing with is nothing compared to many.
Sometimes it's worth remembering that. I'm going to put my game face on for the mum-visits this week.
I'm sorry for everything everyone is going through.
Thank you all for sharing.

SeriouslyAgain · 04/03/2024 09:50

Sorry @StiffyByngsDogBartholomew I meant that I second you

SeriouslyAgain · 04/03/2024 11:29

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese
I'm so sorry things are so hard. I know how annoying it is when people pass opinions on stuff they know nothing about, but I do wonder whether maybe you should think of a care home for your parents? Because what you're going through doesn't sound sustainable.

Metoo15 · 04/03/2024 12:14

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese How on earth are you managing all this. I agree with everyone else it’s far too much and could go on for years yet. What happens when your ill or go on holiday ? Please take a step back and have a think about it all. Take care.

Daffodilgill · 04/03/2024 12:50

Oh my goodness, you lovely woman. It's too much. The cost to you and your family is too much. Please contact the council and start moves to move them to a care home.

Tara336 · 04/03/2024 15:07

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese I agree with everyone else. Speaking from my own experience it would be a good idea to contact adult services now, even if you don't want to necessarily move your DPs into a care home yet, the wheels turn very slowly even when your at crisis point which is where we were when we asked for help, it would be useful to be know tk them. They really won't help unless you push them, My DF was dangerous and was assaulting us, wandering, trying to stop visitors entering the house (including myself).

Jellycats4life · 04/03/2024 16:13

Oh @CarrotsHandbagsCheese, your post took my breath away. Unspeakable horror.

Mum was extremely vocal at the time that if she ever went the same way to put a pillow over her head because she didn’t want to be a burden on anyone and there were worse things than death. Clearly, that’s out of the question, but I find myself longing for her to pass peacefully in her sleep as soon as possible, so save her this dire indignity.

My mum has said the same to me. She had also said that I should put her in a home and not kill myself trying to keep her safe in her own home, as she did for her mother.

Agreeing with everyone who says you can’t carry on shouldering all this.

JellyWellyBoots · 04/03/2024 21:13

My brother who lives on the other side of the world asked me to lend him some money so he could fly back for dads funeral. It's in 10 days so he's panicking.
My honest response was you found out he was dying 6 months ago, why the sudden rush?
This sets him off, he starts telling me how I've never known hardship, that I don't care about him.
He then says he is glad the government pay for me and my child, I got given a house etc.
Still expected me to pay for his flight even after all that. I told him to fuck off.
He's saying I'm closing the door on my family, that I don't want to be his older sister anymore.
Why does this feel like emotional abuse?

He's really upset me, I looked after OUR father by myself while holding down a job and being a mum. The things he has said to me tonight are unforgivable. Last time I lent him any money he didn't speak to me for months. Yet I am the one who is difficult to get hold of? He's impossible to reason with.

I can afford to help him a bit, but after the way he's made me feel why should I bother? My dad offered him some money before he died so he could come back, my brother spent too long pissing about so the money was never transferred. I feel so let down. How am I closing the door on my family?

JaceLancs · 04/03/2024 22:37

@JellyWellyBoots - do not help your brother - you have already done more than enough

InterestQ · 04/03/2024 22:38

I’m quickly delurking for JellyWelly though I’m not all that helpful. I don’t think you need further interaction with your brother. Grey rock him. What you said is true about knowing six months ago. You aren’t wrong. He is responsible for himself. You have been responsible for your dad too and you’re tired. It’s up to him to sort himself out and that’s not you closing the door on him, it’s just life. Most people are fine with that, without trying to emotionally blackmail their siblings for money. Parents are going to die. If you live abroad you need to have enough put aside to get back when you want or need to get back. If you don’t, you prioritised and it turns out that wasn’t a priority. Not your (you Jelly I mean) job to pay.

JaceLancs · 04/03/2024 22:40

@CarrotsHandbagsCheese
please look after yourself and your DC, you can offload some of this - why are you cleaning their house? They don’t have capacity - organise a cleaner out of their money, outsource as much as you can and if you feel they are not ready for a care or nursing home yet - look at options for respite

JellyWellyBoots · 05/03/2024 07:21

@InterestQ you are right, it still hurts though, I didn't deserve any of the things he said to me.
He told me my DD is going to be left without an uncle, aunt, or father if I carry on letting my emotions get in the way of everything.
I'm so fucking angry right now. He was just out to throw any abuse he could at me, all because I told him he should have sorted this months ago.
My brother has only ever contacted me when he wants something. Be that money, a place to stay, etc. he has never once picked up the phone just to chat.
He said to me I'm acting like we were ever close, I thought we were.
I'm starting to think maybe I am the problem. First I fall out with my sister, then my auntie, then my brother. Each fall out has been because I have enforced boundaries and said a firm 'no sorry that isn't ok with me'.

I've said this before - people hate the word 'no'. There is so much toxicity in my fathers side of the family. I have opened my doors plenty of times, to be taken the piss out of.

Why did my brother keep hammering home the fact I claim benefits and that I was given a house?? I was 'given' a home because I was fleeing DV. Since then I have established myself. He even went as far to say I only got good grades because our dad cared about me. As in he didn't care enough about my brother.

I am so sick of dealing with toxic family members. I feel completely alone all the time. It's just attack attack attack with these people.

REP22 · 05/03/2024 09:55

@JellyWellyBoots I am so sorry for all you have gone through and that you are continuing to endure. Be assured that you are not the bad one in all this. You have gone above and beyond in the most trying of circumstances.

Your brother sounds calculating. He is hammering home those points because he knows full well that those are the barbs that hurt you the most. He knows precisely what to throw at you so that it strikes you at your most vulnerable points.

But just because he says these things, it does not make them true. You are NOT a bad person. You are certainly NOT a bad mother or daughter and, frankly, your DD is infinitely better off without an uncle who speaks that way to her mother.

Please consider using this as an opportunity to block him from your life and from contacting you. They you can grieve the relationship and move on, hopefully without him having the continued means to pull you down. You deserve peace and happiness and his nasty toxicity is like a cancer that will grow and eat away at you. Cut it away and allow the wound to heal.

You don't have to justify anything to him. You've got a safe, loving home for your daughter and are doing your best. Your brother has absolutely no right to comment on your life that way. You keep doing as you are - you're doing really well. Stay strong and keep going - but do block him if you can. I'm not sure if you've come across the Stately Homes threads - January 2024 - Well we took you to Stately Homes | Mumsnet. - a wonderfully supportive place for people with toxic family members.

Best wishes to you. x

FiniteSagacity · 05/03/2024 11:53

@JellyWellyBoots also de-lurking as we have a similar situation with a family member.

You’ve had some great advice here and having gone very low contact (it’s not my call to go no contact but I would) I recommend grey rock.

These people are all about what you can do for them. You deserve better and your DD is your most important family.

I hope you can get through the funeral and practicalities 💐

Choux · 05/03/2024 14:34

I'm starting to think maybe I am the problem. First I fall out with my sister, then my auntie, then my brother. Each fall out has been because I have enforced boundaries and said a firm 'no sorry that isn't ok with me'.

Yes, you are the problem, because you won't roll over and let them let them take advantage of you. How dare you be all strong and set clear boundaries around you and your DD and give her a great role model to follow about not getting sucked into unhealthy relationships. Good for you!

Your response to your brother about him having 6 months to set money aside for a flight was perfect. He did nothing - that's how little he values family bonds and respects his parent. Don't let him make you feel bad because you aren't now facilitating his appearance at your dad's funeral. I bet if you gave him the flight money you'd never see that money again.

Tara336 · 05/03/2024 16:09

@JellyWellyBoots maybe your DB has no inclination to attend the funeral? It's far easier to say I couldn't go as I didn't have the money and DS wouldn't lend me the air fare, then say actually I don't want to attend. I saw something similar in my family, my uncle didn't show to his father's funeral (we all stood waiting for him) and told anyone who would listen that he didn't have means to get there and hadn't been informed when it was. Of course none of it was true but it made him look better then just saying I couldn't be bothered (he changed his story again when I confronted him and said it was because because of the way he perceived he had been treated)