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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Kendodd · 04/09/2023 10:34

MereDintofPandiculation · 04/09/2023 09:57

Yes, I am aware if QUALY (DS worked in the area). But that’s not the same. We’re not yet a society that says “both these people have the potential to last x more years, but this one is economically active, so we’ll treat, and this one is retired and a burden on society, so we won’t “. QUALY assesses from the point of view of effectiveness (don’t spend tens of thousands on treatment to prolong life by a month) not from the point of view of “worthiness” (economic value to the country) of the patient.

This does exist in poorer countries.
I did Development Studies at SOAS back in the 90s. There was a theory that beyond basic vaccinations, young children and the elderly should not have expensive medical treatment. These groups use up the vast majority of a countries medical resources then, in the case of the elderly, die soon anyway, and in the case of children, are saved for a lifetime of disability and expense. Any resources available should be focused on keeping the economically active (including none money generating such a childcare) fit and healthy. That's one reason why AIDS was so devastating to Africa, it took out the otherwise fit and well workers and largely left the economically inactive alone.

I have a lot of friends who are medics and this also, unofficially, works in the health service. Loads of scans etc are done on medics in lunchbreaks and they want there staff back at work asap. If you have a knee consultant off work needing a knee operation, operate on them first and get them back to work. This might seem unfair (maybe it is) but if you don't fast track them everybody on the list will wait longer.

JenniferBooth · 04/09/2023 13:38

Poochypaws im so pleased to read your update. Enjoy getting your time back

Tara336 · 04/09/2023 14:31

@Poochypaws that's fabulous news so so happy for you. We are a few weeks in from DF being moved to a home. We have the clothes disappearing issue and him wearing that aren't his I think it's par for the course. I got labels off Amazon you write on in indelible ink and they just stick in the clothes they work really well. I haven't heard of the stamps but they sound good! Also we have recently discovered DF has an account at the home we can pay cash into and its used for haircuts etc so that might be useful for you to know.

I saw my best friend two weeks ago for the first time this year! Because I'm not chasing around to dementia units, living on the phone with SS etc it was lovely! We went for a walk, chatted, laughed and then had a huge slice of cake each and tea in a cafe. It was wonderful! Only those that are on this treadmill will understand how difficult it is to live your own life, but I feel I can now.

Hopefully you and everyone else will check in here now and then as it's definitely been a relief for me being able to be honest about this situation we have all found ourselves in.

ChatBFP · 04/09/2023 15:19

I agree and that is not what I am saying. What QUALY does say is that, if spending money on x won't get a certain amount of extra quality life, then it isn't approved. Reality is that most of those who were likely to die of covid were elderly and therefore unlikely to live that much longer. Much of the money spent amounted to taxing grandchild more for life to ensure granny lived (perhaps already in poor health) longer.

There was obviously an issue of the health service getting overwhelmed, but the issue with the overwhelm itself was that it would have led to healthcare rationing according to likelihood of survival - ie in favour of the young.

If you work out how many extra people would have died if we hadn't spend so much money on track and trace and some of the most excessive measures (shutting schools for prolonged periods included) and then divided the money spent by the number of people notionally saved, it wouldn't result in a great return.

That's what I am saying - it's not about choosing according to who is economically active at all. It's that the average person who lived longer due to all the covid measures was someone who gained a few more years towards the end of their life.

OLDERME · 04/09/2023 18:23

OP, you were very brave to post this in the first place. I am sure that it helped many people to be able to speak about their own situations. I am very pleased to feel that you now have a resolution. Best wishes for your future. x

Due to having a long career in the 'caring industry', I have very clear ideas that I will not go into care. I would prefer to be off this earth than accept living in a home. I recently reminded my family, and they went nuts! Although, I have been telling them this for years, now I am getting older, they seem unable to accept it. In effect they are shortening my life, because they have POA, and I no longer trust them.

chaosmaker · 04/09/2023 23:00

Great news, OP. It takes such a toll and the poem you mentioned is so true. It eats up your life and often the person you care for wouldn't want you to do that for them (as most people want their children to thrive and not be burdened yet dementia has already killed them in terms of stealing their personality) but society expects you to.

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/09/2023 09:02

@Kendodd I have a friend in a rapidly developing relatively rich country who, when we met 30 years ago, told me that workers had medical insurance, and children, but no-one else, another example of health care based on utility. And I expect we will be the same in 20 or 30 years.

i’ve a suspicion it is happening here already, I had a feeling I got more urgent treatment as the mother of young children.

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/09/2023 09:08

@ChatBFP I think we’ve got to that stage where we’re both so intent on making sure our argument is understood that we’ve lost sight of what the original discussion was about Grin

Kendodd · 05/09/2023 15:04

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/09/2023 09:02

@Kendodd I have a friend in a rapidly developing relatively rich country who, when we met 30 years ago, told me that workers had medical insurance, and children, but no-one else, another example of health care based on utility. And I expect we will be the same in 20 or 30 years.

i’ve a suspicion it is happening here already, I had a feeling I got more urgent treatment as the mother of young children.

I wonder if it was also means to pay and insurance companies being willing to provide cover. Try getting private health insurance even in the UK, at age 80, and you'll see what I mean.

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/09/2023 15:23

Kendodd · 05/09/2023 15:04

I wonder if it was also means to pay and insurance companies being willing to provide cover. Try getting private health insurance even in the UK, at age 80, and you'll see what I mean.

No, I very much doubt that it did have. It was the pattern of economcally active adults being of value and therefore their health protected, economically inactive people not being valued.

Thestartofsomethinggood · 06/09/2023 06:24

Glad to see your update. I walk the dog past a bench with a plaque remembering a couple both died in their 90s and then their daughter who died in her early 60s . That s nt a coincidence

EmmaEmerald · 06/09/2023 06:42

I'm so relieved for you OP

I watched something where a mum lived to 100 and the DD died the same year. I think it was meant to be a bit of a joke that they couldn't really escape each other but it was not remotely funny to me.

I hope you can get on with your life now. Thank you for starting this thread.

StopStartStop · 06/09/2023 08:10

@Poochypaws I'm glad your mum has somewhere safe to be, so that you can start to look after yourself.

I was very naive when I went into being a carer. You start off with high hopes that you are doing the right thing but end up hollowed out.
Yes, I can see how that happens. I didn't 'go into being a carer'. My dad had a fall, and was ill afterwards. My brother (also seriously ill but ambulant) did what he could but I had to step up, too. (Despite not being on speaking terms with my dad, long story). I thought it would be three weeks or so, helping him recuperate and sorting out his house to make it easy to live in. Two and a half years on, I never got chance to leave him to it, and now I'm his carer, until one of us dies or is too ill to carry on.

Good luck, anyway, @Poochypaws. Definitely have some spa days!

countrygirl99 · 06/09/2023 08:30

We're now on our 3rd round of waiting for someone to die and knowing it could be next week or next year but likely to be fairly quick when it happens. It's incredibly wearing and we feel like we've constantly been in this state since mid 2020 and in general caring mode since early 2015. Once this parent goes we'll still have my mum to worry about. Mum has early stage alzheimer's. She's at the stage where she thinks she is managing fine but we are running round sorting out the chaos she leaves in her wake and trying to anticipate and prevent the next crisis. She has no other medical issues and could easily last another 10 or more years by which time I'll be mid 70s.

Limetreee · 06/09/2023 09:10

I know a mum and daughter that lived together, both caught covid at the same time, the daughter aged 62 died and the mum 85 survived and is now living in a care home.
My mums neighbour needed a lot of care but lived alone, her daughter came everyday, until one day she dropped dead at home of a heart attack aged 55 her mum lived another few years. Let this be a lesson to us all.

Poochypaws · 06/09/2023 12:38

I have read this lots actually - about how the carer often dies before the care recipient. It's a very stressful, lonely, depressing job and with no 'end' point. You also can't leave or at least it is difficult to do so.

With a normal job if you hate it and it affecting your health you can resign. Not this one. It is like you are trapped. There is nothing more depressing and you honestly start to consider suicide as the only way out.

I think I honestly might have died if I had not got 'out'. I say this with all sincerity and without drama. I have piled on weight to the extent of it now being dangerous. My mental health is utterly shot to pieces. Since relative was taken off my hands I have been quite jittery and found it difficult to relax. I'm exhausted but having trouble sleeping.

I have made some really bad decisions affecting my own life while I was a carer. Some can be fixed but some cannot. It's like someone threw a grenade into my life. The worst of it it's like nobody realises. The relative thinks you are making a fuss over nothing and the doctors, nurses etc are all always harping on at you to do more, more, more. This thread on mumsnet is the first time in four years that anyone has validated my feelings and shown sympathy to me. That's why I have been so touched by it. If you become a carer be very aware that you might get some gratitude at the start, but it quickly becomes expected and the expectations just go up and up and up.

I have neglected my own health without a doubt. My whole life I have gone religiously to the dentist every six months and not had any trouble with my teeth really. After 4 years of neglect (and no appointments for me) I now have gone and have five dentist appointments and 2 hygienist appointments scheduled such is the state of the neglect. I have been at the dentist probably 40 times in last 4 years but not for me.

During covid I was really quite ill and breathless during the first wave. Said relative did not even catch it and was not remotely sympathetic that she was inconvenienced.

It's a very valid point to make - yes caring will take over your life but the stress may actually kill you. That's nothing to joke about.

I don't know what the answer is - for those of you who have good relationships with your parents you want to do the right thing. The cost of doing the right thing may kill you.

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Silvers11 · 06/09/2023 12:52

@Poochypaws Sending you more hugs. I am with you all the way in everything you have said in your most recent posts. Absolutely Every. Single. Word.

I wish you all the best wishes in the world in fixing the things you can fix from here on in - but be kind to yourself too. It's more than a year since My Mum died - and I'm only now feeling up to doing the fixing that I need to do too about me.

Take Care of yourself xx

VoluptuaGoodshag · 06/09/2023 13:54

@Poochypaws I hear you. I am actively trying to protect myself. Some folk find this difficult to understand as I care for my mother only once a week. But even then I get jittery beforehand, have some sort of ptsd doing it and if I catch scent of the same deodorant she uses elsewhere, it’s difficult to describe, but I just get the fear. Society sees it as a privilege to be caring for one’s parent but it’s taking its toll, even just once a week.

countrygirl99 · 06/09/2023 14:15

@VoluptuaGoodshag I get it. I can't sleep the night before and the night after I see mum.

Poochypaws · 06/09/2023 14:23

VoluptuaGoodshag · 06/09/2023 13:54

@Poochypaws I hear you. I am actively trying to protect myself. Some folk find this difficult to understand as I care for my mother only once a week. But even then I get jittery beforehand, have some sort of ptsd doing it and if I catch scent of the same deodorant she uses elsewhere, it’s difficult to describe, but I just get the fear. Society sees it as a privilege to be caring for one’s parent but it’s taking its toll, even just once a week.

Completely understand - I have to change my phone ringer as the sound of my phone ringing (the tune I had on it) actually made me feel like I was going to be sick/collapse. It was like a trauma and everytime the phone rang it was me ill.

Changing the ring tone helped for a while but then of course the new ring tone did it too. I suppose it was just dread/fear at the sound of the phone and knowing it was SOMETHING ELSE.

Also when I used to get back from my mums I used to eat and eat and eat and eat till i felt better. I used to feel really quite stressed and anxious and wound up. Hard to explain but I think you get it. The last time I saw her it was so bad that for about 5 hours after I left I was shaking. For the next two days I had to turn my phones off and watch really light, fluffy stuff on tv while stuffing my face with comfort food as I was so 'distressed'

I used to be really angry on the drive up and really distressed on the drive home.

I'm so glad people on here understand as I sound quite mad.

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Valleyofthedollymix · 06/09/2023 15:53

I relate. I get this leaden feeling as the train pulls into the station where my parents live and I sometimes find myself diving into the Pret there just to delay my arrival by a bit longer. Every visit makes me feel angry and resentful, wondering why I'm having to do more for them now than they ever did for me as a child or to help me when I had children.

They're nice people, they are, but they are both very self-absorbed and old age is only magnifying that.

@VoluptuaGoodshag if caring for one's parents were such a privilege, there would be a lot more high achieving men queuing up to do it...

greenbeansnspinach · 06/09/2023 16:03

I get it too. Don’t want to say too much but this thread has been extraordinary helpful. Thank you.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 06/09/2023 16:23

sending solidarity to you @Poochypaws

And to my fellow friends in my phone… here I am sat

-4stones heavier than before it all started
-With new health issues as a result of said weight
-I’m totally exhausted (and I mean totally fucking exhausted, not a bit tired)
-Still traumatised by any text/WhatsApp alert just makes me really stressed
-The inability to get my mojo back
-The knowledge I’ve neglected our business (we’ll survive but I’ve missed some opportunities and DH has had the patience of a saint )
-With a probable ( not probable it’s actually very real) drink problem (next on my list to tackle but I need to muster the strength)
-the feeling that I have neglected my family in favour of a bitter, jealous old woman who did not deserve my time. I am VERY angry about this. Yy to smells,sounds being triggering

Now I’ve typed it out, I’m going to do something about it all. Starting with not having wine tonight. I’m also exercising in the morning. I’m not a weak person, but by God this has taken the best of me and I should not have let it.

Thank God for the dog who listens to me without judgement and without a shadow of a doubt has been keeping me going with needing a walk/attention etc.

I’m now watching DH go through it with his (quite lovely) Mother who is a 5hr round trip away. As with PP’s she’s now perked up following her stroke. Last week it looked like the end, but this week not so much. She would be mortified that she is in this state but thankfully owing to the dementia, she has no idea.

If I wrote a book of what has happened to me in the last 5 years you’d assume it was a work of fiction. Sadly not.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 06/09/2023 16:35

@Valleyofthedollymix
that.

@VoluptuaGoodshag if caring for one's parents were such a privilege, there would be a lot more high achieving men queuing up to do it..

oh yes!! Yes with fucking bells on.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 06/09/2023 16:37

It’s also reassuring to hear that others have their triggers too. I totally relate to the delaying tactics. I’ll sit in drive and check my emails just to avoid opening that front door and smelling that smell.
I don’t want my memories of my mum being these last years.

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