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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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RosesAndHellebores · 02/09/2023 15:17

@Kendodd sadly by the time people are in a care home and lack or limited capacity, the decision is too late. Perhaps society needs to encourage people to take those decisions and provide directives when they are young elderly. I would certainly not wish to receive the initiatives to keep me alive when in that state. However, whilst I could write confirming my wishes, I am not at all convinced that a GP or any other HCP would bother to check my records and make sure my wishes were acted upon.

Daffodil63 · 03/09/2023 00:04

Gosh I've been very misinterpreted here-I was only referring to the frankness of the post. She is so openly angry and I get that, I was so angry too for so long after my mothers death, I was sole carer despite several siblings that could and didn't help for many years which I greatly resented and still do. It was brutal and I experienced nearly everything that the other posters have said like two parents in hospital one in A&E and one on the ward and absolutely agree with everything said. I was lucky they lived close by but the constant demands all day and night, clearing up wee and poo, appointments it went on and on- I bear the scars too. It was a really difficult time that seemed to go on forever and you can't appreciate what a carer does until you have walked in those shoes. I was just truly shocked at the raw honesty and frankness, absolutely no judgment on my part. I think I've just not seen it written "glad they died" but it's an honest comment and I appreciate where it's come from. I've told my children put me in a home at the first sign and don't ever go through what I did. It cost me my health, our family life, time that we will never get back and my marriage. It sadly took a heavy toll.

countrygirl99 · 03/09/2023 04:45

Apologies then.

Jujubes5 · 03/09/2023 07:42

She thinks the residents shouldn't get flu/covid/pneumonia vaccines.

But I remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth at the time of Covid about how the 'most vulnerable' were not being prioritised. I sort of wondered at the time if I agreed with them but the way it was headlined in the papers it made the government seem like cruel ogres for not saving them.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 03/09/2023 08:04

Daffodil63 · 01/09/2023 22:46

Can't believe this post 😳
Shocking! I was a carer for 16 years to my mother who also preferred not to go into a home but I never had these thoughts ...,,

I’m really not sure without providing any other context how you thought what you actually wrote could’ve been interpreted in any other way?

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say thank you for sharing your circumstances and clarification (all extremely relevant), but please post with care on these sorts of threads - you never know how your words may land on someone on their very last nerve. As I’m sure you’re aware, depression is very common amongst carers.

CornishGem1975 · 03/09/2023 08:11

This thread is really helpful. I was trying to explain to someone this week why I hope my mum will die soon. Sounds harsh but she is an care home with dementia, very advanced. She has no quality of life, no dignity, she hasn't known who anybody is for years. She can't read, can't watch TV so she sits in a chair staring at a wall or asleep. She can't feed herself or go to the toilet. She would hate to know this was her life and I hate it for her. The best I can hope for is that she goes to sleep one night and gently drifts away.

I've already had the conversation with my DH that it should get diagnosed with the same, I will be ending my life before it gets too far and he is supportive. Not just for me, but for my children and their memories. I don't want the end of my life to be what they remember about me the most or to be a burden on their lives.

StefanosHill · 03/09/2023 08:19

CornishGem1975 · 03/09/2023 08:11

This thread is really helpful. I was trying to explain to someone this week why I hope my mum will die soon. Sounds harsh but she is an care home with dementia, very advanced. She has no quality of life, no dignity, she hasn't known who anybody is for years. She can't read, can't watch TV so she sits in a chair staring at a wall or asleep. She can't feed herself or go to the toilet. She would hate to know this was her life and I hate it for her. The best I can hope for is that she goes to sleep one night and gently drifts away.

I've already had the conversation with my DH that it should get diagnosed with the same, I will be ending my life before it gets too far and he is supportive. Not just for me, but for my children and their memories. I don't want the end of my life to be what they remember about me the most or to be a burden on their lives.

This is so sad and hard for everyone

I fear it for people I love and wouldn’t want it either

RachaelAnn · 03/09/2023 08:28

I completely agree. I have seen this first hand, though not to your extent but went through the same thoughts.
You feel guilty for feeling this way but it's completely reasonable and logical to say that everyone is bloody suffering!
My grandad had a great will to live, even though he was on his knees. One day though, he just gave up and didn't last very long after that (in hospital).
I hope this mess is over for you soon.

beguilingeyes · 03/09/2023 08:50

We're just at the beginning of this journey with my MIL. She has very early dementia and it's just dawning on me that this is my life now.
I'm on the verge of retirement and instead of enjoying spending time, at last, out of the office grind, I'm going to be spending time taking care of her. It's depressing me already so lord knows what it'll be like when it gets really bad.
She's physically in great shape for 81 so could live for a very long time.
A friend of ours is sole carer for her mother, who is in a wheelchair and who's dementia is pretty far advanced now. I don't know how she does it...I keep thinking that in 20 or so years time this could be me..

CornishGem1975 · 03/09/2023 09:09

Depends on the type of dementia and prognosis @beguilingeyes the decline can be slow or it can be very sudden. My DM was early 60s when she was diagnosed and within a year or two she was in a pretty bad way.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 03/09/2023 09:15

@Daffodil63 thanks for sharing your story. The OP is brutal because the situation is brutal and I imagine for most of us we are sick to the core of pretending otherwise just because society expects it.
Couple of days ago I took my Mum out to lunch and the cafe owner (who is absolutely lovely) was saying all the usual stuff like isn’t your Mum looking great and doesn’t she do well at her age. I nodded and agreed through gritted teeth when I just wanted to scream how shite it was. And my situation is nowhere near as bad as others’ on here.

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/09/2023 09:40

Jujubes5 · 03/09/2023 07:42

She thinks the residents shouldn't get flu/covid/pneumonia vaccines.

But I remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth at the time of Covid about how the 'most vulnerable' were not being prioritised. I sort of wondered at the time if I agreed with them but the way it was headlined in the papers it made the government seem like cruel ogres for not saving them.

Covid presented a different problem from those who are having no quality of life and for whom prolonging life seems needless cruelty.

At the time I had an 80 yr old DH and a DF in his late 90s who was not at all ready to stop living. We were being told that Covid was more dangerous to the very elderly, and, at the same time, “those most likely to benefit”, ie the young and the fit, would have the few ICU beds available, and the elderly or ill would have to rely on their own immune systems. It may seem logical that the elderly should be left to die (especially if you were not an elderly person still enjoying life to the full). I could make an argument that if supporting your life takes an unfair share of resources you have no right to expect society to support you. But we are not yet a society which assigns health care by economic utility.

Alcemeg · 03/09/2023 10:29

My DM died this morning after 8.5 years of misery. I don't know what to feel. I'm so glad her pain is over but I'm so heartbroken the last years of her life were dreadful. I can't bear to think of how I last saw her.

I'm so sorry for your loss, @Squirrelsnut. I hope over time you'll be able to treasure happier memories from the past, which for now are overshadowed by the fact that you were both hostage to a tragic situation that went on for so long. Flowers

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 13:17

@beguilingeyes God its always the females in the family expected to do it even female in laws such as yourself What about your DH? What will he be doing?

beguilingeyes · 03/09/2023 14:57

He'll be doing his share. There's a sister too, but the next few years could be grim.

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 17:05

@beguilingeyes oh good Your earlier post made it sound like you were doing it all.

Poochypaws · 04/09/2023 01:14

Thank you again to everyone who has posted. When I started this thread I had no idea it would get so large. I am overwhelmed with the support, kindness, understanding and validation.

I'm also surprised to be honest how little negative posts there have been (ie having a go at me for having spilled my guts). Only one or two posters have been horrible and I was really warmed to see so many of you fly to my defence against them.

I think someone mentioned how people in real life are so quick to judge and criticise. Usually siblings who have no idea what is actually involved but love to run you down. I have heard about the knives coming out over inheritance etc but actually caring for elderly parents seems to cause alot of friction/falling out with siblings too.

For me some good news. My mum is going into a care home as she has been judged to not be safe at home by social. It's a bit of a long process even now with hospital stays, assessments and waiting for a care home place. However for me, she is off my hands. Yes it sounds terrible to say but given the thread there is no point sugar coating it.

Bizzarely the 'silence' has been quite unnerving. Well it hasn't been totally silent - social services are keeping me informed because as POA I had to say 'yes' to the care home. Could have cried down the phone quite frankly with relief.

Apart from that I am keeping my distance. Relative is getting 24hr care now (ok via a community hospital just now but shortly in care home) so I am taking the time to catch up on my own stuff.
I feel like it will take me probably a year or two to put my own mental and physical health back together.

I still have jobs on the horizon to do. Selling relative house and clearing it out but with 'the end' in sight I am ok to do these jobs. I see from posters that care homes like to phone alot and request things but I will be dammed if I am getting sucked back in to that. I don't mind sending toiletries, underwear etc as can do that over internet but no way am I getting calls to take her to hospital appointments etc like so posters have mentioned. NO FUCKING WAY. I know how it goes. It's a slippery slope.

I was very naive when I went into being a carer. You start off with high hopes that you are doing the right thing but end up hollowed out. It is so hard to explain to outsiders why it is so awful. You really do have to walk in the shoes to understand. It has changed my whole view of getting old, dying and the NHS.

There are worse things than dying. Much worse things.

I read a really interesting article about old people who linger on and on. I think it was called 'when the dying don't die'
It says the number one 'complaint' by family/friends when loved ones are in a hospice is not that they are in pain, not that they are upset at the death but that the person is TAKING TOO LONG to die. Someone wrote a poem about their mother 'pulling him with her into a watery grave' and I really understood that.
If feels like you are being forced to live like you are dying also.

There are so many of us. It has been like unearthing a hidden community of (usually) middle aged woman who are all living in limbo. A bundle of nerves waiting for the next call, the next fall, the next drama.

Thanks again to you all for taking the time to post your own experiences and for letting me vent without judgement. I can see now how close to breaking I was. I felt so trapped. Unable to escape but unable to carry on. Really quite desperate actually. I can understand how carers die before the elderly person they are meant to be caring for.

Hugs to us all for surviving. And Yay for my new found freedom!

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ChatBFP · 04/09/2023 01:29

@MereDintofPandiculation

But we are a society which allocates healthcare according to cost vs your chance of living more years. It's called the QUALY system and is used routinely by the NHS. So yes, we do put a price on life usually and it was in covid that we derogated from that (because we spent absolutely masses - in fact, we are still spending when you consider impact on mental health and education).

Mojodojocasahaus · 04/09/2023 06:00

Glad you have a resolution op and I hope you find peace. You’ve been through the ringer 💐

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 04/09/2023 06:41

@Poochypaws so happy to hear your update. Regarding hospital appts, just explain you’ll need to pay for someone’s time to accompany her so it is clear you won’t be doing it.

Sadly I can confirm it takes aaaaaages to process what just happened. The instant relief of my Mother dying was a quick release. Sort of like when you have a boil and it is lanced (sorry for the imagery but it’s the only one I can think of). My Dad passing was different because we had a different relationship but it was so enmeshed in the nastiness of my Golden Child sibling/Mother’s behaviour I know I have delayed grief which at some point will catch up with me but I also know I now have the time and headspace to deal with it.

And get a label stamp for your relative’s clothes. I’ve no idea where the stuff goes, but it goes. Don’t make that your problem either!

Ilikeyoursleeves · 04/09/2023 07:21

@Poochypaws that's great to see your update, that your relative will soon be being looked after by others and that you can take a back seat now. I was very relieved when my dad went to a care home as although I still get all the calls about anything, at least I don't need to rush over / buy food / do washing / clean his house / pay his bills / take him places etc etc. Re hospital visits, I said re any appts that he could only have domicillary appts as he wasn't mobile so I actually couldn't take him anywhere, or he'd need to be taken by a member of staff in patient transport. There are options as I assume many residents don't have relatives who can take them places.

And I completely get your hospice comment re taking forever to die. I am now 12 days after dads GP told me he had 'days to a week'. He's been ill for so so soooo long (years with parkinsons) and so stubborn and always took ages to do anything, it seems that this even applies to dying!!! I am now convinced he will be here at Xmas and sitting up eating turkey 😩

EmotionalBlackmail · 04/09/2023 08:20

@Poochypaws I'm so glad this thread has helped and things have been able to move forward for you.

Do ask on here when stuff comes up as there are often ways of making it easier or so you don't have to do it yourself. I didn't know you could contract out stuff like labelling the clothes to go to the care home with them - some homes will do it for you for a charge, some there's someone locally who will do it (they'll be advertising at the moment as it's back to school) or the stamps you can buy are very quick!

Same with sorting the house out ready to sell. I had a perception that house clearance would just chuck everything into a skip and we'd miss something. The company we ended up using when the elderly person we bought a house from failed to clear it were brilliant at sorting into paperwork to pass on, stuff for recycling/charity shop and stuff to go to waste.

Alcemeg · 04/09/2023 09:42

Ah that's wonderful news OP, what a blessed relief for you. Please talk to the care home about expectations and getting a ReSPECT form in place (sorry, not sure if you already have this sorted).

Thank you for starting this thread, and how brilliant that it has helped you as well as, I'm sure, many others who reached the end of their tether long ago. 💕

Since you mention it, yes, I also encountered odd resistance/hostility from siblings and was unsure what to make of it. I suppose it highlighted how little they know me and how easily they attribute the crudest of motives to me, especially in circumstances where they were not prepared to make a similar effort.

ReSPECT

The ReSPECT process creates a personalised recommendation for your clinical care in emergency situations where you are not able to make decisions or express your wishes.

https://www.resus.org.uk/respect

MereDintofPandiculation · 04/09/2023 09:57

ChatBFP · 04/09/2023 01:29

@MereDintofPandiculation

But we are a society which allocates healthcare according to cost vs your chance of living more years. It's called the QUALY system and is used routinely by the NHS. So yes, we do put a price on life usually and it was in covid that we derogated from that (because we spent absolutely masses - in fact, we are still spending when you consider impact on mental health and education).

Yes, I am aware if QUALY (DS worked in the area). But that’s not the same. We’re not yet a society that says “both these people have the potential to last x more years, but this one is economically active, so we’ll treat, and this one is retired and a burden on society, so we won’t “. QUALY assesses from the point of view of effectiveness (don’t spend tens of thousands on treatment to prolong life by a month) not from the point of view of “worthiness” (economic value to the country) of the patient.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 04/09/2023 10:09

@Poochypaws I’m so glad you started this thread and told it like it is, the real brutality if it all and the toll it takes. Enjoy your new found freedom x

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