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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 01/09/2023 07:50

Actually it’s gross misconduct to cut a patients toe nails when you’re a carer & the reason they get long is the families keep their £23 a week allowance off the government & refuse to pay thinking the home will pay but they won’t. There’s no such thing as low risk in this age group things escalate faster than you can react to.

The not for profit homes are worse than the for profit on things like that too and the min wage careers end up buying basic toiletries/underwear for their residents while the families refuse.

A weekly hair bill can be £200 easily. Put a qualified podiatrist on top that’s an £4- 500 every 6 weeks.

These are businesses not charities.

Fruitynutcase · 01/09/2023 09:02

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 18:46

@Poochypaws it's so sad that it gets to this stage. That old people are being kept going by constant antibiotics, nutrition shakes, medicines and invasive interventions... ad nauseum. My dad looks like a corpse and has been lying in his bed for over a week now, eyes shut and mouth agape. He was barely responsive when I saw him today but last weekend he had perked up which my immediate reaction (internally) was 'oh FFS'.

But yes it's BRILLIANT they got a yoghurt and 'plenty of fluids!' into him today isn't it!

And BTW care homes charge extra for everything. If he gets his toe nails cut I get a bill. Haircuts cost money too. You'd think at £4.5k a month they'd include all that!

FFS indeed

Omg what a money making racket .

MereDintofPandiculation · 01/09/2023 09:15

the reason they get long is the families keep their £23 a week allowance off the government & refuse to pay thinking the home will pay but they won’t. That £23 has to cover an awful lot. More than a weeks allowance goes every time toenails are cut, then there’s haircuts. Then toiletries, possibly make-up. Then every few months there’s a demand to buy new underclothes, because the ones you bought only a few months ago have already been spoilt by weekly boil washes. And that’s before you’ve done anything that might make their life nicer.

Fruitynutcase · 01/09/2023 09:31

MereDintofPandiculation · 01/09/2023 09:15

the reason they get long is the families keep their £23 a week allowance off the government & refuse to pay thinking the home will pay but they won’t. That £23 has to cover an awful lot. More than a weeks allowance goes every time toenails are cut, then there’s haircuts. Then toiletries, possibly make-up. Then every few months there’s a demand to buy new underclothes, because the ones you bought only a few months ago have already been spoilt by weekly boil washes. And that’s before you’ve done anything that might make their life nicer.

Someone I know who trained as a hairdresser then went in to care used to cut some of the residents hair for free if it got too long

Badbudgeter · 01/09/2023 09:58

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 01/09/2023 07:50

Actually it’s gross misconduct to cut a patients toe nails when you’re a carer & the reason they get long is the families keep their £23 a week allowance off the government & refuse to pay thinking the home will pay but they won’t. There’s no such thing as low risk in this age group things escalate faster than you can react to.

The not for profit homes are worse than the for profit on things like that too and the min wage careers end up buying basic toiletries/underwear for their residents while the families refuse.

A weekly hair bill can be £200 easily. Put a qualified podiatrist on top that’s an £4- 500 every 6 weeks.

These are businesses not charities.

It’s possible to do a training course which allows a carer to do basic foot maintenance including toe nail cutting. I worked in a care home and one carer was qualified so she did the entire place once a fortnight.

Obviously some people need specialist help but the majority of residents just need a regular trim. Care homes should invest in training their staff imo

Gettingbysomehow · 01/09/2023 10:10

I've worked in the NHs for over 40 years. People are kept alive to a ludicrous extent now. Please tell me why a dying person needs endless hospital appointments and 30 drugs a day. Its as if doctors and nurses are petrified to put them on an end of life pathway and withdraw treatment.
I've already decided I'm off to Switzerland when that happens to me and I have enough money saved (over 10k). I will never ever put my DS through this.
I won't be taking medication or going to any appointments either. I already have a DNR and no admission to hospital form in place, I'm 61.
We all need to think about the end of our lives and make sure the paperwork is in place in plenty of time - so many of my own patients have never even thought about it and just passively accept treatment right up to the end.
We can't afford to be passive about end of life, we have to actively plan for it and decide what we want and discuss it with our relatives.

Fruitynutcase · 01/09/2023 10:41

Gettingbysomehow · 01/09/2023 10:10

I've worked in the NHs for over 40 years. People are kept alive to a ludicrous extent now. Please tell me why a dying person needs endless hospital appointments and 30 drugs a day. Its as if doctors and nurses are petrified to put them on an end of life pathway and withdraw treatment.
I've already decided I'm off to Switzerland when that happens to me and I have enough money saved (over 10k). I will never ever put my DS through this.
I won't be taking medication or going to any appointments either. I already have a DNR and no admission to hospital form in place, I'm 61.
We all need to think about the end of our lives and make sure the paperwork is in place in plenty of time - so many of my own patients have never even thought about it and just passively accept treatment right up to the end.
We can't afford to be passive about end of life, we have to actively plan for it and decide what we want and discuss it with our relatives.

30!drugs a day ? Nice little earner for drugs companies!

greenbeansnspinach · 01/09/2023 12:41

Surely you can’t mean £200 a week for hairdressing???

Ilikeyoursleeves · 01/09/2023 13:02

@oakleaffy I bought my dad some nice whisky at the start of the year and it disappeared within a few days. His clothes go missing, his toiletries, he's lost his glasses twice. I only just realised yesterday his wedding ring wasn't on! It's become really loose since he's lost so much weight, I'm going to call the home after their lunch and ask where on Earth it is!! They better not have 'lost' that!

Badbudgeter · 01/09/2023 13:29

greenbeansnspinach · 01/09/2023 12:41

Surely you can’t mean £200 a week for hairdressing???

When I worked in a home a mobile hairdresser came in to do the hair it was £10 gents cut, £16 ladies wash, cut and blow dry. £12 ladies wash and blow dry. This was a discount on her normal price. A lot of the ladies liked to get their hair done each week. There were a few who had tints etc. too. Not a massive home 25 residents but hairdresser would be there for a full day every week. I can easily see it being £200+

Badbudgeter · 01/09/2023 13:32

greenbeansnspinach · 01/09/2023 12:41

Surely you can’t mean £200 a week for hairdressing???

When I worked in a home a mobile hairdresser came in to do the hair it was £10 gents cut, £16 ladies wash, cut and blow dry. £12 ladies wash and blow dry. This was a discount on her normal price. A lot of the ladies liked to get their hair done each week. There were a few who had tints etc. too. Not a massive home 25 residents but hairdresser would be there for a full day every week. I can easily see it being £200+

StefanosHill · 01/09/2023 13:33

I’ve just read the op rather than thread but you raise a tough but necessary topic. Sounds really hard

Alcemeg · 01/09/2023 14:11

Ilikeyoursleeves · 01/09/2023 13:02

@oakleaffy I bought my dad some nice whisky at the start of the year and it disappeared within a few days. His clothes go missing, his toiletries, he's lost his glasses twice. I only just realised yesterday his wedding ring wasn't on! It's become really loose since he's lost so much weight, I'm going to call the home after their lunch and ask where on Earth it is!! They better not have 'lost' that!

Things do go AWOL though in a care home. The residents tend to wander in and out of rooms and take whatever catches their eye. You can't really nail things down.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 01/09/2023 15:11

@Alcemeg yes he has frequent visits from old ladies who say he has photos of their family and they try to take his family photos from the wall 😳

EmmaEmerald · 01/09/2023 16:40

OP

Sorry if I missed it - i too had a breakdown over caring - has your mum gone to a care home yet and has your PofA kicked in?

CardiganBardigan · 01/09/2023 17:02

Having seen two family members die with dementia, I agree with you. I often thought we wouldn't let an animal suffer the indignity that I saw my nan endure in the last years of her life.

Choux · 01/09/2023 18:10

Ah yes lost items. My mum has dementia and has been in a care home which is lovely for 3.5 months but so far we've had:

A hearing aid which suddenly stopped working possibly due to not being removed when washing her hair

Two hearing aids which were lost when the hairdresser removed them to wash her hair.

Glasses lost for a couple of weeks then found in another resident's room.

Re extra costs I suspect mum who was never very vain and was quite thrifty before dementia is given a wash and blow dry every time the hairdresser comes. Am sure she is under the impression it is a free service.

When her hearing aids get lost / broken by the care home I pay for a taxi each way to the hospital for the replacement ear moulds to be made and then collected. I think given how quickly her spending money depletes I am also paying for a carer to accompany her even though the hearing aids were lost while she was in the care home's care.

They also have an occasional clothes shop who comes in. I imagine they encourage her to 'choose something' most times the shop comes. This clothing isn't labelled with her name and disappears after one wear and wash. Then I get told she has spent all her spending money.

I am wary of asking too much about these as I think overall it's a very good place for her to be and I don't want to rock the boat.

countrygirl99 · 01/09/2023 18:28

Dad was in hospital overnight and they managed to lose his shoes and trousers.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 01/09/2023 18:31

My dads clothes go missing all the time too. I've lost count of the pairs of PJ's I've bought him. He gets given other residents clothes too. When he first moved in we had a meeting with social work re settling in and he rocked up in a Hugo Boss shirt 🤣🤣🤣 My dad is Mr Thrifty and would only go so far as buying Asda shirts normally!

JenniferBooth · 01/09/2023 20:38

I would love to love if nurses/care home workers/emergency pendant employees know what relatives are thinking when they call. Do they think we are upset or do they know we are way beyond giving a shit

NHS activists on another now deleted thread were doing their usual carping over how relatives dont do enough and need to do more. Every time i see that i tell them to read this board

Nubnut · 01/09/2023 20:48

Why not just stop taking the meds?

Alcemeg · 01/09/2023 21:43

@Choux Who knows, really, what is going on! It sounds as though your loved one (in care home speak) is exposed to more variety of experience than many others, which is the best you can hope for.

I just wish I could get inside the head of dementia. In its early stages at least, it's so unpredictable. I said loving goodbyes to my parent so many times that when it came to the deathbed, I wasn't there. I was on holiday, and decided I wouldn't make it in time. Did they notice? Does it matter? I'll never know.

EmmaEmerald · 01/09/2023 21:43

Nubnut · 01/09/2023 20:48

Why not just stop taking the meds?

Well, you'd have to ask the people who keep taking them.

EmmaEmerald · 01/09/2023 21:44

JenniferBooth · 01/09/2023 20:38

I would love to love if nurses/care home workers/emergency pendant employees know what relatives are thinking when they call. Do they think we are upset or do they know we are way beyond giving a shit

NHS activists on another now deleted thread were doing their usual carping over how relatives dont do enough and need to do more. Every time i see that i tell them to read this board

probably just as well I didn't see that!

Daffodil63 · 01/09/2023 22:46

Can't believe this post 😳
Shocking! I was a carer for 16 years to my mother who also preferred not to go into a home but I never had these thoughts ...,,

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