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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 31/08/2023 09:50

DaphneDeloresMoreheadRidesOn · 30/08/2023 22:23

Nope.
the form was sent out by, returned to and decided on by our local council.
maybe you would like to stop arguing with me when you clearly don't know what you're talking about

There is a pitiful allowance actually called Carers’ Allowance paid to carers on low income. You’re not talking about that. Hence the confusion.

Carer's Allowance

Apply for Carer's Allowance - money to help you look after someone who needs to be cared for. Apply online or use form DS700.

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 09:54

Gosh do you go every evening @countrygirl99 ? You're a way better daughter than me if you do. Mine's a three hour minimum round trip just the journey time so I couldn't but I suppose if I were a really good daughter I wouldn't have moved away or I'd have uprooted my whole family, jobs, education in order to move closer to them when they started deteriorating...

MereDintofPandiculation · 31/08/2023 09:58

If you strongly believe in the sanctity of life (as an example) Doctors will take the decision to DNR regardless of beliefs. It shouldn’t matter what your beliefs are, as Attorney you should be acting on the wishes of your elderly parent.

countrygirl99 · 31/08/2023 09:59

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 09:54

Gosh do you go every evening @countrygirl99 ? You're a way better daughter than me if you do. Mine's a three hour minimum round trip just the journey time so I couldn't but I suppose if I were a really good daughter I wouldn't have moved away or I'd have uprooted my whole family, jobs, education in order to move closer to them when they started deteriorating...

No I don't, I think I'd have a breakdown pretty quickly if I did.
It's a 2 hour round trip and from next week there are road closures to factor in for 6 weeks as well which mean an awkward diversion. I try to keep it to 10-14 days but it's crept up to weekly lately.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 31/08/2023 10:58

@MereDintofPandiculation I was referring to the relative in this instance. My point is that neither the patient nor the family get to make the choices in this scenario. I absolutely don’t doubt that healthcare professionals make decisions in the best interest of the patient but as we know, these may not be aligned with everyone else’s views/beliefs etc. I was asked to expand on the lack of choice where there is no LPA. This is one such example.

@Valleyofthedollymix @countrygirl99 ah yes, the aftermath of a narcissistic mother. Know it all too well I’m afraid. Sending you patience and know that you are doing more than is deserved or should have to do.

Possiblynotever · 31/08/2023 11:16

So, so sorry for you.

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 14:32

I don't know that I'd go as far as to say she's a narcissisist. Just really crap with children - ie us when we were young, my children when they were young. I think if I hadn't had children, I'd have forgotten that and been more loving, but seeing how rubbish they both were as grandparents brought back a lot of memories. Or lack of memories - they never did anything with us.

I've discussed it on another thread - 70s/80s parents who expect us to be 21st children to them. Like they were all hands-off and benign neglect, but now seem to want hugging and tenderness and I find it awkward in a way that I don't with my children (still hug my 19-year-old son, who initiates them too).

I'm afraid to say @countrygirl99 that I'm relieved that your visiting is much more aligned to mine! My bro and I make sure that someone is there every two weeks. When there's a crisis I've sometimes had to go three times in a week and I rather bank those to allow me some time off later... God I'd hate it if my children had this mix of duty, guilt and resentment that brews.

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 14:35

Oh another observation is that I think my mother's as then undiagnosed Alzheimer's heightened the self-absorption and lack of interest. So some of it is part of the illness and I should cut her some slack. The trouble is that for those years when she never remembered the name of my kids' schools or what stage they were in or their hobbies or even their birthdays, I judged her for it and it's now hard to unravel that judgment now that I know some of it was part of her dementia.

countrygirl99 · 31/08/2023 14:39

DH has just popped in to say care home have called paramedics for MIL as she's having breathing difficulties again. It's virtually weekly now. If it isn't breathing difficulties it's a badly swollen and painful leg due to fluid retention. Due to her communication problems someone has to go with her and of it's someone from the home that's £20 an hour. But DH and his brother can't keep dropping everything so it has to come out of her savings a lot of the time now. Other brother doesn't even visit.

MereDintofPandiculation · 31/08/2023 15:32

My point is that neither the patient nor the family get to make the choices in this scenario Yes I understood the very valid point you were making. But I wanred to highlight that it’s the donor’s wishes that are relevant and that you should be putting forward, even when they’re diametrically opposed to yours. My father has made it clear on many occasions he wants to live as long as possible no matter how great his decline, so that’s what I have to argue for even though it’s against my wishes.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 31/08/2023 15:38

@MereDintofPandiculation i think we are agreed. But if your Father had no LPA and no capacity, and had other significant medical issues the decision will be taken out of your hands by HCP to deploy a DNR regardless of his wishes.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 15:55

My dad just won't let go! He's been a stubborn old git his whole life and he's determined right to the very end. Even when he's bed bound with end stage Parkinsons and the GP says he has days to live... oh no he's not! I've been running after him and my mum and caring / helping for SEVENTEEN years and he's hanging on for dear life. Right to the bitter end. The care home told me with excitement today that he's had some energy drinks and a yoghurt! Yippee! And 'he's getting plenty of fluids so that's brilliant'. Is it?!! FFS. It's my dad asking for it all too which I can't help but feel annoyed about which is totally awful of me but just as the end is in sight, the goal posts move again and IT. JUST. KEEPS. GOING.

FOR.

ALL.

ETERNITY.

I now sound callous and this sounds terrible but the longer this long drawn out end of life process goes, I start to lose touch with my sadness and I'm mainly getting frustrated now! 😩😩😩

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 16:23

I completely understand. This is your safe space for venting. It's like you know they're going to die and you know you're going to devastated/sad/traumatised/whatever and you can't cope with having this cliff edge hanging over you.

As well as the fact that you wonder what on earth they're getting out of life in this hallucinatory, bedbound state.

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 16:23

ps it won't be forever, it just feels that way.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 16:33

@Valleyofthedollymix thank you. And thank you @Poochypaws for starting this thread. It's such a shame how so many relatives are feeling the same way since end of life is so complete key and utterly drawn out. The 'normal' emotions then get dominated by more difficult ones- a whole load of frustration, anger, impatience, rage, unfairness, envy (at those who don't face all this), numbness, dark humour to cope, and all while waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting 🤯🤯🤯

MereDintofPandiculation · 31/08/2023 16:59

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 31/08/2023 15:38

@MereDintofPandiculation i think we are agreed. But if your Father had no LPA and no capacity, and had other significant medical issues the decision will be taken out of your hands by HCP to deploy a DNR regardless of his wishes.

Yes indeed. Certainly not downplaying the importance of LPA. We should all be setting them up for ourselves as well.

Poochypaws · 31/08/2023 18:11

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 15:55

My dad just won't let go! He's been a stubborn old git his whole life and he's determined right to the very end. Even when he's bed bound with end stage Parkinsons and the GP says he has days to live... oh no he's not! I've been running after him and my mum and caring / helping for SEVENTEEN years and he's hanging on for dear life. Right to the bitter end. The care home told me with excitement today that he's had some energy drinks and a yoghurt! Yippee! And 'he's getting plenty of fluids so that's brilliant'. Is it?!! FFS. It's my dad asking for it all too which I can't help but feel annoyed about which is totally awful of me but just as the end is in sight, the goal posts move again and IT. JUST. KEEPS. GOING.

FOR.

ALL.

ETERNITY.

I now sound callous and this sounds terrible but the longer this long drawn out end of life process goes, I start to lose touch with my sadness and I'm mainly getting frustrated now! 😩😩😩

I hear you and second you.

They phone you with 'good news' and you feel like swearing at them and telling them never to phone you again.

Then they phone you with 'bad news' and you get your hopes up that this is the end. Then it isn't and you start to lose hope that it ever will be.

You stop giving a fuck. You have to grit your teeth when they call so you don't accidently blurt out 'yes so who cares, it's the 89th time this year' when they phone you to tell you 'oh dear said relative is having a bad day / chest pain /nose bleed / crying.

You actually start to really honestly believe they will never die (or not before you anyway).

Huge hugs.

Like you, I am not even sad any more. Just fucking furious at a bad situation that goes on and on and on and on.

You actually feel like they are doing it to spite you.

I would love to love if nurses/care home workers/emergency pendant employees know what relatives are thinking when they call. Do they think we are upset or do they know we are way beyond giving a shit.

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Poochypaws · 31/08/2023 18:17

countrygirl99 · 31/08/2023 14:39

DH has just popped in to say care home have called paramedics for MIL as she's having breathing difficulties again. It's virtually weekly now. If it isn't breathing difficulties it's a badly swollen and painful leg due to fluid retention. Due to her communication problems someone has to go with her and of it's someone from the home that's £20 an hour. But DH and his brother can't keep dropping everything so it has to come out of her savings a lot of the time now. Other brother doesn't even visit.

I'm actually reading your post with horror. It seems that even when you get them in a care home you are still not off the hook.

With wait times in hospital being long £20 per hour could easily become £200 per visit.

With what care homes cost you would think this would be included but I guess they are so short staffed that they can't cover it.

What a nightmare.

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Poochypaws · 31/08/2023 18:19

Valleyofthedollymix · 31/08/2023 16:23

I completely understand. This is your safe space for venting. It's like you know they're going to die and you know you're going to devastated/sad/traumatised/whatever and you can't cope with having this cliff edge hanging over you.

As well as the fact that you wonder what on earth they're getting out of life in this hallucinatory, bedbound state.

well put - 'can't cope with having this cliff edge hanging over you'

That's exactly right. No matter what you are doing this 'cliff edge' is always hanging over you. It's so stressful and exhausting.

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Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 18:46

@Poochypaws it's so sad that it gets to this stage. That old people are being kept going by constant antibiotics, nutrition shakes, medicines and invasive interventions... ad nauseum. My dad looks like a corpse and has been lying in his bed for over a week now, eyes shut and mouth agape. He was barely responsive when I saw him today but last weekend he had perked up which my immediate reaction (internally) was 'oh FFS'.

But yes it's BRILLIANT they got a yoghurt and 'plenty of fluids!' into him today isn't it!

And BTW care homes charge extra for everything. If he gets his toe nails cut I get a bill. Haircuts cost money too. You'd think at £4.5k a month they'd include all that!

FFS indeed

oakleaffy · 31/08/2023 18:55

Care homes must be raking it in! £4500 pcm and toenails being cut aren’t part of that service ?!
Astounding.

A carer I know ( changed jobs to something better paid) said she visited an old man who had expensive carers and his toenails were actually many inches long, and he couldn’t get his footwear on because of the talons.

She actually soaked and cut his nails, and he was so grateful. ( Not a diabetic so his feet were straightforward)

It’s just basic care
You’d assume foot care would be part of the package.

countrygirl99 · 31/08/2023 18:57

@Poochypaws up to the last time there has always been a family member to take her but this is the 3rd admission in 5 weeks plus an appointment for a scan. And we all work and have bills to pay and it's a 2 hour round trip to get to the hospital. My mum with alzheimers lives an hour away in the opposite direction and we are also supporting another family member who is going through a tough time.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 20:15

@oakleaffy no all these things are extra. My dad doesn't even get soap in his wall dispenser, I have to buy it in and then it inevitably gets nicked after about two days.

Mischance · 31/08/2023 20:15

The reason they are wary of cutting toenails is that circulation to feet is bad in the elderly and if they accidentally nick the skin it could have serious repercussions especially if diabetes is present. They don't want to get sued!!

oakleaffy · 01/09/2023 00:16

Ilikeyoursleeves · 31/08/2023 20:15

@oakleaffy no all these things are extra. My dad doesn't even get soap in his wall dispenser, I have to buy it in and then it inevitably gets nicked after about two days.

That's outrageous.

I've heard of theft from 'Care' homes before.

The not cutting toenails thing that I mentioned- My friend who cut the bloke's talons said it was a danger to him- having those awful horny gnarled toenails.
He didn't have diabetes, so she soaked them and cut them- he was very grateful.

If other paid carers didn't want to do it, they should have called someone in.
This man wasn't diabetic, and friend is skilled with her hands and had the right tools. Maybe she had training.

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