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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 20/08/2023 15:47

@Words did you have power of attorney for health?? And an emergency health care plan?
These should have prevented unnecessary admissions.

Words · 20/08/2023 15:49

Hi. No. I had an old fashioned epa. The healthcare plan was eventually put in place and the admissions did reduce somewhat after that.

Kendodd · 20/08/2023 20:45

Thank you for starting this thread op. This all needs to be said.
And as for covid, do you remember, the older you were the faster you got vaccinated because god forbid we can't have a bedridden, demented, doubly incontinent 90 year old in constant pain dying of covid. Yes vaccinate them ahead of people working in frontline services.

Words · 21/08/2023 05:51

And I felt so guilty even thinking these things. Thank you OP.

StopStartStop · 21/08/2023 05:58

the Doctor and senior nurse stood at the bedside and looked very annoyed - asked what did I want them to do? - in my DM's hearing.

I met with this attitude when my mother was towards the end of her life. I find it disgusting. They are not the gods they think they are, doctors and nurses. What I wanted and want them to do is show some fucking humanity and respect for the frail human beings they encounter. The aged and dying have not arrived in hospital to offend the staff, to cause them extra work or whatever.

Fruitynutcase · 21/08/2023 08:19

Poochypaws

I have read your posts and you have my utmost sympathy. What I am struggling to understand is the reluctance health professionals have about your mum going into a care home when she clearly cannot look after herself and expecting you to continue in this situation.

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/08/2023 08:30

Kendodd · 20/08/2023 20:45

Thank you for starting this thread op. This all needs to be said.
And as for covid, do you remember, the older you were the faster you got vaccinated because god forbid we can't have a bedridden, demented, doubly incontinent 90 year old in constant pain dying of covid. Yes vaccinate them ahead of people working in frontline services.

Wasn’t it more “we can’t have a bedridden, demented, doubly incontinent 90 year old in constant pain” blocking a bed that could be used for a more deserving economically active adult? Combined with the huge increase in risk of death once you got past about 60.

It was appalling the lack of protection for frontline workers, but I don’t see that failing to vaccinate the elderly would have made their job any easier. Failing to vaccinate and then banning the over 70s from hospital, maybe, but even MN might have problems with that.

greenbeansnspinach · 21/08/2023 08:41

Thank you for replying, and I’m sorry if i made it sound more clear cut than it is.
I have been in a similar situation to yours, and I did in the end have to be (what was probably seen by some as) very cold and blunt. And stick to my guns when this or that “inducement “ was offered to try to get me to carry on. I couldn’t.
This was the only approach that got the result I needed.

Indiana50 · 22/08/2023 07:56

It's a rubbish situation, and needs an honest conversation.

Our family's experience. Over a number of year's Mum's dementia worsened, until she walked downstairs one morning and her legs stopped working. She was in a care home within 2 days.

My sisters, both nurses, were explicit in their instructions on her care - keep her comfortable, you may prescribe painkillers (paracetamol) and oral antibiotics. You may not either admit her to hospital or prescribe intravenous antibiotics.

It took her 16 weeks to die, and as stated many times on this thread, you wouldn't do it to a dog.

My FIL is 85, ongoing pain from hips, back, bereavement. He's completely together mentally, and stated quietly that he's not going into a care home and has enough morphine to exit on his own terms. His saying is "old age ain't for the faint hearted". I have every sympathy in his view, and I hope that I'll have the kit to choose the same option when the time comes.

Kendodd · 22/08/2023 09:26

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/08/2023 08:30

Wasn’t it more “we can’t have a bedridden, demented, doubly incontinent 90 year old in constant pain” blocking a bed that could be used for a more deserving economically active adult? Combined with the huge increase in risk of death once you got past about 60.

It was appalling the lack of protection for frontline workers, but I don’t see that failing to vaccinate the elderly would have made their job any easier. Failing to vaccinate and then banning the over 70s from hospital, maybe, but even MN might have problems with that.

Why would a 90 year old in such poor health not just be allowed to die though? Why would they have to be admitted to hospital and huge effort made to treat them and stop the dying ?

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2023 09:40

Kendodd · 22/08/2023 09:26

Why would a 90 year old in such poor health not just be allowed to die though? Why would they have to be admitted to hospital and huge effort made to treat them and stop the dying ?

Who has the choice? Assuming the elderly person is frail but with the capacity, who decides to withhold treatment? And if they do not have capacity but have previously made their wishes clear that they don’t wish to die?

It’s outrageous that we should actively try to prolong life in those who have had enough, but we mustn’t veer into the opposite territory, that an elderly person’s life has no value, and they should be denied treatment. And there were people on the Covid threads a couple of years beck who were arguing just that.

Isthiscorrect · 22/08/2023 09:42

Indiana50 · 22/08/2023 07:56

It's a rubbish situation, and needs an honest conversation.

Our family's experience. Over a number of year's Mum's dementia worsened, until she walked downstairs one morning and her legs stopped working. She was in a care home within 2 days.

My sisters, both nurses, were explicit in their instructions on her care - keep her comfortable, you may prescribe painkillers (paracetamol) and oral antibiotics. You may not either admit her to hospital or prescribe intravenous antibiotics.

It took her 16 weeks to die, and as stated many times on this thread, you wouldn't do it to a dog.

My FIL is 85, ongoing pain from hips, back, bereavement. He's completely together mentally, and stated quietly that he's not going into a care home and has enough morphine to exit on his own terms. His saying is "old age ain't for the faint hearted". I have every sympathy in his view, and I hope that I'll have the kit to choose the same option when the time comes.

Then he needs to put that in writing to protect his family and friends from any police investigation.

Kendodd · 22/08/2023 09:45

Isthiscorrect · 22/08/2023 09:42

Then he needs to put that in writing to protect his family and friends from any police investigation.

I wonder if he did state that publicly now, if he'd just have his morphine removed and be forced to live in pain?

Isthiscorrect · 22/08/2023 09:54

@Kendodd

I don't know. But maybe not make it public. Just write it out and lodge it unread with his solicitor? Then effectively no one knows but it is clear he wasn't coerced.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2023 12:04

Isthiscorrect · 22/08/2023 09:54

@Kendodd

I don't know. But maybe not make it public. Just write it out and lodge it unread with his solicitor? Then effectively no one knows but it is clear he wasn't coerced.

That would seem prudent.

There was a case a couple of years ago where a woman had acquired the necessary over the internet, and police arrived at her house to confiscate them. Fortunately, she's already split the consignment in half and hid them separately; the police confiscated one half and were satisfied, and the other half was still sufficient.

But it shocked me, the intrusion into what was nobody's business but her own.

Missmoppetspoppet · 22/08/2023 12:33

OP, ignore all the people who are being self-righteous about how horrible you are. As PPs have said, you can only appreciate it if you’ve been there. DF is still alive years after he was predicted to die and I got so sick of the paramedics-hospital-back home to self-neglect a bit longer that I handed him over to SS and refused to have anything more to do with it. I live 300 miles away and had two DCs under 5 at the time. SS finally put him in a care home and he’s still hanging on, minus capacity and dignity. He would hate to be where he is now and even a few years ago would have died of his illness by now. The hospital has nursed him through Covid and repeated pneumonia, each of which has made him worse and he would have been much better going years ago. I did all my grieving a long time ago and will only be relieved when I finally get a phone call to say he’s gone. Flowers and hugs 💐

Ilikeyoursleeves · 29/08/2023 18:05

Can I just scream here

AAAARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

On Thursday I was told my dad had 'a few days to a week' to live. He was basically unresponsive, not eating / barely drinking and sleeping all the time (end stage Parkinsons). He has been ill for so long and it's horrific to watch him deteriorate so much. He was prescribed anticipatory medicines last Thursday he seemed that bad.

I said my goodbyes last week and fully prepared he was about to die in the next few days.

He's now communicating (well very faint whispers), sitting up in bed and drinking energy shakes and tea!

This is utter torture! For him but for me as well!!!

ARRGGHHHHHHH

StopStartStop · 29/08/2023 18:44

Is it a surge, @Ilikeyoursleeves?* *Happens up to a few days before death, a period of lucidity. Are you watching Hospice Nurse Julie on YouTube? She is very informative.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 29/08/2023 19:29

@StopStartStop I did wonder that but it's now gone on for 4 days! 🙈

StopStartStop · 29/08/2023 19:51

Oh dear! Just leaves you waiting it out, again. I'm sorry. Clarity would make things easier but that doesn't always happen.

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/08/2023 19:53

@Ilikeyoursleeves I was told to gather the family for final goodbyes in January 2022. He’s still going strong. Eventually you emotionally withdraw and get used to it

freetheunicorn1 · 29/08/2023 19:56

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

I don't think it is the NHS determined to keep people alive at any age, I think it is societal expectations.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 29/08/2023 19:58

@MereDintofPandiculation

Oh my god 🤯 I've already withdrawn a bit and decided to go to work as normal this week as I'm self employed and can't keep cancelling things 'just in case'. It's actually making me feel far better to get some normality back

Kendodd · 29/08/2023 20:55

freetheunicorn1 · 29/08/2023 19:56

I don't think it is the NHS determined to keep people alive at any age, I think it is societal expectations.

I agree. Just look at covid families for justice.

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/08/2023 21:43

Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on. Doesn't bode well for one's own ambitions not to linger, does it?

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