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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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denpark · 14/08/2023 10:04

I'm going to put something in place for when I'm older so that my children do not have to go through what myself and my siblings are dealing with. It destroys peoples' mental health.

I'm hoping Dignitas still exists at that point.

Limetreee · 14/08/2023 12:17

denpark. Well said it’s a living hell, and so so painful to watch . Who in their right mind would want this for themselves. Not only are they suffering but so many family members living through it with them.

DutchCowgirl · 14/08/2023 21:47

Amazing so many people are in this situation. I always felt so alone!

I live in a country where euthanasia is legal, but my father just doesn’t want it.
9 years ago I was told he only had a few months left. I set my own life on hold to take care of him. I had a baby and a toddler back then, I missed so much of them growing up while hanging around in hospitals. Always wanted a big family but I set it on hold to care for my father.
But he just keeps on living, even survived covid several times. Luckily we were able to put him into a care home last year, I still can’t believe it. I have finally time for my family.

Escapingtherealityoflife · 15/08/2023 14:21

I don’t agree with euthanasia- to actively take a life.
BUT…
I do think there needs to be a long, hard look about whether it is appropriate to keep treating recurring infections if the person had no quality of life before they got sick. What is the treatment in trying to achieve? Surely then it’s better to go with end of life care at that point?

oakleaffy · 15/08/2023 17:20

Jujubes5 · 11/08/2023 08:28

I know this is awful but whenever I'm in the SE there seems to be train holdups because someone has thrown themselves under a train. Horrible.

That’s an horrendous way to die.
Also has a terrible effect on the poor train drivers and any witnesses.

I have twice been the passenger on a train where this happened.
The scream of a witness still hasn’t left me.

Nor the faces of children who witnessed it on the French train.

Prescribed Morphine is kinder .

StopStartStop · 15/08/2023 17:23

Escapingtherealityoflife · 15/08/2023 14:21

I don’t agree with euthanasia- to actively take a life.
BUT…
I do think there needs to be a long, hard look about whether it is appropriate to keep treating recurring infections if the person had no quality of life before they got sick. What is the treatment in trying to achieve? Surely then it’s better to go with end of life care at that point?

That happens in some care homes. First few infections are sent straight to hospital. Eventually the hospital refuses to have them back again so they have to die of their infections. At that stage, there is no quality of life to preserve. I think straightforward euthanasia would be kinder, really.

oakleaffy · 15/08/2023 17:30

Anyone who has been present for the veterinary euthanasia of a beloved pet knows how fast and peaceful it is.
Probably why ( Shockingly) the suicide rate amongst veterinary staff is comparatively high.

dressedforcomfort · 15/08/2023 18:10

Watching my Mum die has completely changed my perspective on euthanasia. If I knew a lingering death was inevitable, I'd definitely be contacting Dignitas.

Bonfire23 · 15/08/2023 23:23

denpark · 14/08/2023 10:02

I completely understand what you're saying, OP. My mum has dementia and has absolutely no quality of life. She's lost all of her faculties; is in continent; has no clue who she is or where she is and spends her days in a constant state of anxiety where she is desperately walking around trying to find something (often getting very very upset/angry/physical). She can barely eat, can't talk and cannot read or do any of her hobbies that used to give her pleasure.

I would love for her to die and finally be at peace but due to her heart medication keeping her alive, she just keeps going.

Why does this society allow that to happen? It's just cruel.

Then my Dad is living a half life after scraping through heart attacks/bypasses/sepsis and cannot walk or function properly on his own. He's wheelchair bound, has very little quality of life and takes so many tablets to keep him alive. It's no life for him at all yet due to medical advances, he's still alive.

We wouldn't allow our own pets to live like this yet humans aren't allowed to have dignity towards the end.

It's disgusting.

I get it totally
Sat there watching my mum die for hours in hospital. Why? She's dying, she's not going to suddenly get better. So why does she have to go through actually dying for so long? It would be animal cruelty but we can do it to a human

I've signed an advanced decision here to give to my GP. My dad is "why now?" as if I'm teetering on the brink of something but now is the time to do it before I can't
https://compassionindying.org

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/08/2023 06:40

Hospitals can refuse to treat people?

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 16/08/2023 07:52

Yes, happened to a patient of mine. Sent back to the residential home (so no nurse) with end of life drugs.

Dh was refused admission to two ICU due to his heart when he was dying of cancer.

Choux · 16/08/2023 08:19

When my dad was (effectively terminally) ill - heart failure worsening so his legs swelled up even though he was on max diuretic dose which was killing his kidneys - he was referred to a team whose purpose was to keep him out of hospital. Presumably as hospital beds are in short supply and expensive and most patients prefer to die at home.

A nurse came and checked his vitals each day and a district nurse came 1-2 times a week to redress his legs which were at risk of getting ulcers.

Due to the swelling, his vascular dementia and toxins in blood from kidney failure he lost mobility and became a bit more confused and incontinent. We upped his self funded care visits and I stayed a lot.

He saw an on call GP but not his own even when I said he had a UTI. They wanted to test a sample before deciding which antibiotic he should have. I now wonder if they were delaying as they thought it was better for it not to be treated so he would die sooner.

When he was bedbound and had visibly deteriorated the carers called an ambulance who decided he didn't need to / shouldn't go to hospital. I wasn't there when the paramedics were so don't know precisely what was said. I am sure dad said he didn't want to go to hospital. He died in his sleep less than 24 hours later - no pain relief although seemed to be pain free as long as was lying in bed.

Although he had been ill with the swollen legs for 7 weeks (that we knew of and must have been longer but he didn't tell anyone till it was obvious) he hadn't seen his GP so the coroner had to be involved. And the bloody GP had to call me for info before deciding on the cause of death! He actually asked me 'so what do you think happened?'!!!

I guess dad got a peaceful, pain free death at home which is what he wanted but the stress for me for those 7 weeks was immense.

Jujubes5 · 16/08/2023 08:51

Well if hospitals didn't refuse to take dying patients they'd have them in their care until they died, most likely, so that, as we can see from posts, can take weeks.

Hospital sent relative back to care home - but pumped them full of antibiotics first. They were post covid having trouble breathing. So lasted another 2 weeks or so - nice.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/08/2023 09:07

I remember reading the story of a woman who’d attempted suicide by lying on the tracks. She survived, but lost both legs. The great fear is muffing it. Not falling far enough, not getting the dose right and making everything worse. I presume one reason vet suicides are high is that vets have access to medication and know how to use it.

oakleaffy · 16/08/2023 09:34

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/08/2023 09:07

I remember reading the story of a woman who’d attempted suicide by lying on the tracks. She survived, but lost both legs. The great fear is muffing it. Not falling far enough, not getting the dose right and making everything worse. I presume one reason vet suicides are high is that vets have access to medication and know how to use it.

I think that was my friend's neighbour - a tragic case. South East ?

It was a tragic case, a good few years ago now. Essex area. Very upsetting case-

Vet suicides {according to a vet I knew that campaigned for better support around mental health} are because of stress. Plus of course the means close on hand.

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MissHoollie · 16/08/2023 09:48

Well done for saying all of this.
Modern medicine is keeping people alive too long.
Keep yourself well and keep looking after yourself

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/08/2023 11:09

Vet suicides {according to a vet I knew that campaigned for better support around mental health} are because of stress. Plus of course the means close on hand. Yes, obviously, I didn't mean to trivialise. But other professions have high levels of stress, as do many of those in poverty, but without the means. So the desire for suicide is less likely to manifest itself.

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/08/2023 12:55

@FormerlyPathologicallyHappy I honestly didn't know that. We eventually had to tell the hospital to stop giving my grandmother antibiotics (in her eighties, advanced dementia, parkinsons, immobile, incontinent , broken hip and in extreme pain and agitation pretty much 24/7) and just keep her comfortable. I got the impression they would have kept 'treating' her indefinitely.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 16/08/2023 15:19

OP I hear you. And I totally get it. We are living too long. I’ve said for years that euthanasia will eventually come but it will sadly be economic pressures instead of compassionate ones that get it through the statute books.
The current situation cannot go on. My own DM almost died last year, at 93. Amazingly she pulled through and lives on the happy pills to stop her being depressed about her situation where she’s in constant pain. Why??? What for??? She’ll be 95 on her next birthday and I’m drained by it and I’m nowhere near your situation. The realities of dealing with a parent who refuses to shower or even wash her hands after changing her colostomy bag are frankly disgusting. She wonders why she was sick the other morning. She seems bulletproof but with progressive frailty. It might be cholera that gets her (or worse still one of us, her children) in the end.
We live half lives awaiting their passing all in the name of humanity. It’s not natural and inhumane. I feel for you.

Thestartofsomethinggood · 16/08/2023 18:54

Vets used to have guns to put large animals down. Due to the suicides they don’t now have them

Ilikeyoursleeves · 16/08/2023 21:33

@Poochypaws

I haven't read the entire thread as there are so many comments but I stayed up to 2am last night reading as much as I could as I completely relate to all this. I have a thread on this section called 'end stage Parkinsons nightmare' and it's around similar issues.

My mum had dementia for 14 years. My dad looked after her at home but he also had Parkinson's so you can imagine how that was. I had to help out with the practicalities, the hospital appts, the emergencies, the cleaning, the admin, the coordination. Then the taking my dad to visit my dying mum in hospital, arranging the funeral, being the executor, sorting out all that. I have siblings but both are utterly utterly useless and 100% of it falls to me.

So mum died then dad fell a while later- ended up in hospital, fought so hard not to go to a care home but had no choice as he couldn't mobilise independently now. I had to find the care home, deal with dad when he kept changing his mind where we was to go, clear his house of 50+ years of STUFF, sell it, deal with lawyers, banks etc. Now I'm the only one who visits and he's been in the home for 1.5 years and it's such a rollercoaster.

He has become poorly lately but the home keep giving him antibiotics and protein shakes if he refuses to eat. I hate seeing my dad so ill and I wouldn't treat an animal like this. It's awful. He is a bag of bones, can't feed himself, can't stand, can't walk, can't go to the toilet, can barely speak, is depressed, is now delirious and is losing his mind. But each day he keeps going and the care home call me and announce happily that they are giving him lots of calories 🙈

So I'm with you and totally relate. Sadly.

Hugs to you and all the others in the same boat.

It's shit.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 17/08/2023 09:10

The basic facts of the matter are we are living long past our sell-by date, kept alive by medical intervention. It’s different in younger people or those who have an accident but as a tribe, we have too many elders. If we still lived in a tribal fashion, they would not live as long. Death is a natural process of life but medical intervention is not enhancing that process, it’s prolonging it and thus having a detrimental effect on the rest of the tribe.

To those of you who have made negative comments, just eff off. You have no idea. Just because someone is elderly doesn’t make them a sweet old dear. They are human and whatever they were like throughout life, is only exacerbated as they near the end - and some of them were gits! To that poor woman who’s mother bit her as she cleaned up her shit! My heart goes out to you. To the person who made a snarky comment - go fuck yourself.

Oh but we’re not allowed to say these things because that causes ripples in the societal matrix. And this is civilisation?? What a joke!!

JenniferBooth · 19/08/2023 16:56

How are you doing now OP

Words · 20/08/2023 07:51

I can so identify with all these comments. I had a running battle to try to prevent my extremely elderly, demented mother being regularly admitted to hospital after fairly trivial falls, although anything involving a bump to the head I realised needed to be checked.

On one occasion she'd slumped forward and bumped her chest. Because when asked she said yes, she had 'chest pain' this resulted in yet another hospital visit, a prolonged wait in a and e and a return to the home even more distressed and confused. It's an absolute nonsense, and a total waste of scarce resources.

Also the endless rounds of antibiotics. No one was prepared to take a sensible decision, despite me making her previously expressed views abundantly clear.

Jujubes5 · 20/08/2023 10:48

Words · 20/08/2023 07:51

I can so identify with all these comments. I had a running battle to try to prevent my extremely elderly, demented mother being regularly admitted to hospital after fairly trivial falls, although anything involving a bump to the head I realised needed to be checked.

On one occasion she'd slumped forward and bumped her chest. Because when asked she said yes, she had 'chest pain' this resulted in yet another hospital visit, a prolonged wait in a and e and a return to the home even more distressed and confused. It's an absolute nonsense, and a total waste of scarce resources.

Also the endless rounds of antibiotics. No one was prepared to take a sensible decision, despite me making her previously expressed views abundantly clear.

This was the problem with care homes ime. Pack them off to hospital - with my DM the Doctor and senior nurse stood at the bedside and looked very annoyed - asked what did I want them to do? - in my DM's hearing. Of course I didn't want her (or me) there in the first place but GP didn't contact me, nor did the Care Home. I found the GPs disinterested. Probably over whelmed by old demented people having falls etc.

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