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part time teachers HELP with parents evenings on days OFF

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:07

ok so i do three days
parents eve always on day off
dont mind dointg EXAM classes at all, but in KS3 is complusory subject so its tough titty really.
so i said " are you goign to pay me or not expect me in"

teh solution they propose is that my LOVELY HoD reads out what i write down

dont know what do do

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specialsmasher · 11/03/2010 20:09

I have just come back from parents' eve on my day off. They always are, and I have no choice but to go.

Think it might even be on my job spec.

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:11

i have read it and i understand directed time and all but surely there comes a time when directed time runs out?

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TheFallenMadonna · 11/03/2010 20:11

You go in I think. It would be expected in my school, and TBH I would like to see the teacher if it were my child. Do you share the class with someone else?

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:13

one of them yes.
the thing is I could have been at my other job on that day.
wish i was...

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specialsmasher · 11/03/2010 20:14

It's a requirement on top whether you are part-or full-time.

Full time teachers have still finished their teaching day - it's not like anyone is just being paid for lessons taught really, is it?

I don't think a teacher can just be unavailable for parents' eve.

I am speaking as a part-timer who does SEVEN parents' eves on days off per year!

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:15

do you KNOW that or presume it?
am wondering.

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cyb · 11/03/2010 20:15

You can always record Glee, you know

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:17

lol
you slaaaaaaaaaag
its the principle

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specialsmasher · 11/03/2010 20:17

I know that it has been questioned at our school, and reiterated.

I am too lazy to have read anything written down!

elliott · 11/03/2010 20:18

I am not a teacher but I work part time. If duties essential to my role fall on my 'day off', then I do them. It is called being a professional. I think its something that has to be accepted if you are a professional person working less than full time.

wastwinsetandpearls · 11/03/2010 20:20

I always went in on my day off if it was a parents evening, it is part of being a professional

duckyfuzz · 11/03/2010 20:21

you can be directed for the p/t ratio of f/t so 0.6 of f/t in your case, school should clarify this

Heated · 11/03/2010 20:22

Part-time teachers should be given a breakdown as to how their directed time (which includes teaching, PPA-time, non-contact time, registration, assemblies, meetings, parents' evenings and any other time you are required to be in school immediately before or after sessions) will be used.

The change means that, if a parent's evening or non-pupil day falls on a day you do not normally work, you cannot be required to attend. If you do consent to attend, with the consent of the headteacher, you must be paid for attending.

MamaG · 11/03/2010 20:22

God just get into work you lazy fucker

teachers only work half the year anyway

duckyfuzz · 11/03/2010 20:22

you coudl suggest going in for parents evenings and taking a PD day off in lieu or something like that

iggi999 · 11/03/2010 20:23

I teach part-time (x%), and I do x% of meetings, parents evenings etc. The ones falling on the days I do work seem to be making up enough time. I suppose I might do one "pro bono" as it were, but would certainly not expect to be told to. Our parents evenings also start in the afternoon, I couldn't actually go as I'm at home for childcare - no-one would be there to care for the child.
Why would anyone think it reasonable for someone who receives, say, 50% pay of a full-time worker to do 100% of the meetings?
Call their bluff and go with the odd reading-out option.

wastwinsetandpearls · 11/03/2010 20:23

I would never have asked to be paid for going in, we are well paid as it is and the job has a lot of percs.It is not a great ask tbh.

I also attended every INSET day for the same reasons.

Heated · 11/03/2010 20:26

My school timetables so that p/t teachers always work on parents' eve days - always the same day of the week.

This is a good arrangement as otherwise my childcare would preclude me from attending the whole meeting. If it fell on a day where I was at home, I would have to wait until dh came home to take over looking after the children and then I could commute into work, missing about half of the parents' evening.

But no, you do not have to attend and if they do they should pay you to attend since it is outside your contracted hours. The school can suggest instead that parents contact you in school hours.

wastwinsetandpearls · 11/03/2010 20:29

Teaching is not a career in which you do only what you have to,you do what is best for the children in your care.

PatTheHammer · 11/03/2010 20:29

I do it, they always fall on my day off.......................however, My union rep has told me that 'officially' we are not required to go in on days off for parents evening and since I am 0.6 then legally I am only required to attend 60% of parents evenings/meetings etc. Though 'professionally' we both do as he is part-time too!

It's a pain in the arse with child-care for me since they start at 4.15pm and I have no family local that can watch them for a few hours till DH gets home, so as it stands I take them to work and DH has to take time off and leave early to pick them up en route before my first appt. He was late last time and I had to take them with me for my first appt last time...............the parents didn't mind thankfully and if the head was bothered he didn't say so!

tethersend · 11/03/2010 20:31

From the most recent School Teachers' Pay and Conditions documentation referring specifically to part time teachers:

Additional working time

STPCD para 74.7 & 74.8 & STPCD statutory guidance para 143 and 176

The STPCD provides that part time teachers cannot now be required to work or attend non-pupil days on days when they do not normally work (STPCD para 74.7).

They may, however, agree to attend staff/departmental meetings, parents/open evenings and INSET days and other non-pupil days on such days by mutual agreement with the head teacher. Where they do agree to work on days when they do not normally work, this cannot by definition be included in directed time. The STPCD therefore includes a provision for additional payment for this working time. The formula for this payment provides, in effect, for part time teachers to receive 1/1265 of the appropriate full time pay rate for each hour of additional working time.

You cannot be compelled to attend parents' evening. Nothing to do with being professional. You could have another job on your 'day off'.

By the way, what is your objection to your HoD seeing pupils?

tethersend · 11/03/2010 20:33

"Teaching is not a career in which you do only what you have to,you do what is best for the children in your care."

wastwinset, the children in my care on my days off are my own.

wastwinsetandpearls · 11/03/2010 20:35

I think it has everything to do with being professional, I did have another job when I taught part time. It was made clear to them that there would be a few days a year when I would need to put the teaching first. I simply used annual leave to go into school for parents evenings and INSET days.

PatTheHammer · 11/03/2010 20:36

Tethers- interestingly my Head has never mentioned the payment factor............hmm, thats 3 hours of work for 5 evenings a year, plus two half-days insets I have attended. this has got me thinking....

Not that I am 'unprofessional' or anything you understand,

just skint!

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GordianKnot · 11/03/2010 20:38

lol at cats bum mouth "being professional"
yes this is why teachers whoa re choosing to (gasp) haev a holiday in holidays are under pressure to go to work and do revision classes.

thanks for
"I do it, they always fall on my day off.......................however, My union rep has told me that 'officially' we are not required to go in on days off for parents evening and since I am 0.6 then legally I am only required to attend 60% of parents evenings/meetings etc. Though 'professionally' we both do as he is part-time too!
"

ExAM classes are a diffo kettle of fish

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