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Grr. LONG ALERT! Ever wonder why you bother when you bend over backwards to help DCs achieve their best- and they can't be bothered??

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gaussgirl · 12/01/2009 21:38

OK, I know I will be flamed her about being all 'middle class and pushy'..

but: I am happy to say I've calmed down a bit now but on Sunday I was hopping! Situation is that we know we HAVE to do something about getting into catchment for the desired secondary before Oct 09 so DS1, now in Y5, can attend.

School in question, having done my homework at great length is the best fit for him. It will involve a move of 1 1/4 miles, across a couple of fields to 'get in' but DH and I feel we should do this for the sake of his (and DS2, to follow)'s education, thus their future, thus their life chances (which, all being well, = happiness).

Thing is, DS1, 9 1/2 just CANNOT BE ARSED to do ANYTHING! All extra curricular activities are invariably greeted with a groan -though once he gets there he's fine; be it karate, cubs or piano (in school); gently applied advice about how to perhaps 'go the extra mile - nay INCH'! in homework, results in huffs, book 'chucking' down, sulking (he will not take 'help' from anyone save perhaps his school teacher...), the "I can't DO this/ I'm RUBBISH at this!" stuff cannot be assisted without the huffs as detailed above. It is SO frustrating!

I guess I come at it from a couple of angles: One is my mother, though she loves DS1 dearly, has casually and accurately observed that DS1 is very like my DB was at that age. DB, coming as we did from a different era (we're both in our late 40s!) wasn't 'pushed' at all. Rubbish secondary modern, no pressure to apply himself to ANYTHING that didn't take his fancy, no 'extension activities' of any description, us (well, me!) having to BEG to do music lessons, Brownies etc. Trouble is, DB's turned into at worst a bitter man, at best one who recognises that he's achieved nothing near his potential in life- OK, OK, how many of us do? But he's MILES off. He drives a delivery van for a living, a job he dislikes- but entirely of his own admission, he knows he lacks the discipline to do anything about it and does kind of blame our parents for NOT making apply himself, get stuck in- or send him to a better school! I do recall that where mum and dad DID push him it was hell's own job to get compliance and once it became apparent that his school WAS rubbish, he was completely entrenched in it, at 13 and more or less unshiftable. Also, parents just didn't have the - ahem, 'choice' of today. You went to 'the local'.

A second issue is that in 10 years time there just will not BE the low paid manual work available to the slackers- and I mean that: DCs who by all measures are capable of more but who just can't be bothered.

Now, I guess what I want to give DS1 is opportunity. At its basest, if I do what I can, at the end of the day, he cannot turn around and cast that sort of blame on us because we are trying to do our best by him. I am hoping all those DCs who grow up to 'thank' their parents for 'making' them do things are right!

BUT god, it's so hard when you're trogging around housing estates looking at property with a constant barrage of boredom coming at you from the back seat as you look at those 'catchment' homes- and I mean one or 2, not hundreds! When you're gritting your teeth even harder whilst you SUGGEST two three word sentences do NOT constitute 'a descriptive paragraph about...'. I SO don't want to get into the 'We're doing this entirely for YOU!' stuff- to an almost 10 year old, but sometimes I feel like shouting it!

How much harder would it be if we were thinking private, watching 10 grand a year being casually thrown away??! I do have a friend who does send her 2 private who actually says one reason is so they can't throw any blame at her if they underachieve academically once they're adults.

Finally, I guess the most useful responses would be from people with adult DCs who had actually run the gamut not The Smugs telling me how much DD, aged 7 LOVES her bassoon lessons and can't WAIT to go to Kumon! Yes, DCs should be allowed time to veg and 'do nothing'. Believe me, mine get PLENTY of that- it's the bits where some effort might COUNT where the indifference lies that get to me!

Was it all worth it, come 18?

OP posts:
fivecandles · 09/02/2009 18:26

Agree with all posters who have said you shouldn't expect gratitude and you are expecting a child to look long term which is just not what children do.

However, I would be concerned by your son's apathy and unwillingness to try at homework or do any sort of after school activity.

Do you think this could be a self-esteem issue? Sounds like you could be contributing to that with your pressure and rather negative attitude towards him.

I would focus entirely on the positve. Does your son have a friend who does an after school activitiy and would it work if they buddied up and did it together?

I also think it's really important to set an example. Do you play an instrument, have a hobby, set an example by reading? Because if you don't it must be hard for him to see why he should.

I got worried by the fact that my dcs weren't reading much by choice except for at bedtime when we read to them or for homework so we set aside a reading night where television and computers are banned and we all sit down and read. It's lovely. Our rule is that the dcs aren't forced to read but they are encouraged and they do ahve to accept that dp and I are going to read and not do anything else with the dcs during the reading time.

I would also see if there are things you can do as a family to get him to enjoy something in the first place. E.g. do you go swimming or cook or play football? Once you can get him really interested in something you can take it a step further and go for lessons. I think you really need to focus on your son's CONFIDENCE and ENJOYMENT rather than focus on what he isn't doing.

controlfreakythecontrolfreak · 09/02/2009 22:33

blimey! calm down love. feel rather sorry for your ds even i you feel your intentions are the best....

are you a super high achieving / ambitious / striving adult?? do you have lots of interests and hobbies?? do you learn / play a musical instrument??

controlfreakythecontrolfreak · 09/02/2009 22:34

oops, see you beat me to it fivecandles!

Quattrocento · 09/02/2009 22:41

Just two points:

  1. Drive is innate, I think. You can't force things down children's throats. You can cajole, persuade, bribe up to a point. But only up to a point. Horse/water/drink/not drink. You risk driving yourself demented.
  1. Were you seriously expecting enthusiasm from a 9 year old about house viewings? Seriously? Because that seems to me like an unrealistic expectation.
amicissima · 10/02/2009 15:29

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Reallytired · 10/02/2009 17:26

"Take him to some really grotty housing estates, to the cheapest of the cheap supermarkets etc and show him how people with no money have to live. Explain that if he is lazy that's where he will end up."

lol... sounds like where I live. I think you have to be careful what you say as lots of people who live in deprived areas aren't lazy or even on benefits. They just aren't lucky enough to have Mummy give them a desposit for a house and have to earn every penny they need to live. It can take time to build up a good career if you come from a working class background and went to a sink school.

Anyway... back to the OP. I am a bit of a pushy mum, but I have found it easier to get my son to work by backing off a bit. I have also told him that I am proud of him for being well behaved and that good manners are more important than SAT results. I have also told him that I love him unconditionally and that failing at school isn't the end of the world.

He responds better to praise than he does to nagging.

Life is what you make of it. Children with the right attitude to do well at rough schools. Its harder but not impossible get a professional job from a sink school environment. Infact such children can often do better in life than those who went to the most expensive private school.

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