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Jason Arday, Cambridge Plagiarist, thread two

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Angeruish · Yesterday 20:39

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I have now removed the question mark after "plagiarist".

I can't believe the sequel will be as good as the original, but you never know...

Jason Arday, Cambridge Plagiarist? | Mumsnet

I’m surprised to be the first to mention this, but what do people think about Jason Arday, the Cambridge professor accused of plagiarism, and the medi...

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AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 22:50

Boiledbeetle · Today 22:45

At this point I think I'd be e-mailing myself a new version of the file every time I had a tea break!

You'll get there. Just keep going. Think how great it will be to get to the print it all off and sit down with a cup of tea and a stack of red pens stage!

Opened a file and saving a fresh copy twice daily now LOL.

I can’t wait to print a hard copy next week and bind it, so that I can physically see and hold the thing in the knowledge that ‘I did that’!

Then I have to get on with the 40k academic bit, buts strangely not phased by that part at all - 15k written, the rest already mapped out with refs. I can talk bollocks about books and feminism and autism until the cows come home…

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 22:55

@Lunde that is how I would expect any process to go in an average UK uni too - especially from comments made academics I’ve met who’ve been on either side of the process. That’s why I cannot understand how JA ended up in the role unless it was almost like an honorary position and he was hired for social media kudos and that formal process chucked out of the window? I’d almost have understood that if he had remained a PR figurehead and hadn’t actually been put in charge of mentoring and teaching. The impact on the students whose degree grades he has impacted is unforgivable.

parietal · Today 23:09

Lunde · Today 22:43

I am gobsmacked that a University such as Cambridge could have such lax appointment procedures that someone with Arday's credentials could get anywhere near a professorial chair!

A few years ago I served on the governing board of a university department within the Social Science Faculty, at a European University which was a lot like Cambridge. During my time, I was involved in the appointment of a few professors and the appointments followed a very strict process that could take up to a couple of years to get a person in place.

Step 1: a professor within the department was appointed to manage the process and the role was advertised.

Step 2: the initial paper sift to remove applicants that didn't meet minimum requirements for the post. We had some fantasists as well - I especially remember a retired high school Social Studies teacher who used to apply for every senior lecturer/professor post on the basis of his B.Ed. from the 1970s (no masters, no PhD, no research).

Step 3: (this is the step that took time) an academic expert panel was convened (the professor plus subject expert professors from other Universities) to assess academic ability from the research publication history submitted for consideration. Weighting is given the the quality of publication - so higher weight is given to articles in top academic publications, then other journals/publishers and non-academic publication the lowest. Candidates would be expected to have made some theoretical/methodological contribution to the discipline. So a genuine peer review of the candidates' research quality and originality by experts in the field. The panel ranks the candidates according to academic merit.

Step 4: the top 3-6 candidates are invited to the next "in person" stage. There are interviews with representatives from department/experts/faculty. Then, because teaching ability is also required, the 3-6 candidates also have to give short sample lectures plus a Q&A.

Step 5: it is first now - step 5 - that any DEI characteristics are considered and a final ranking is produced. DEI was usually used only if it is close between candidates (and the one time it was applied it was a total shitshow). Finally position/s are offered.

The sorry mess at Cambridge shows the failure of the social media approach to recruitment. The department wanted someone who "looked" good on the website and ticked the right boxes without having a rigorous process to ensure that the recommended applicant had the right abilities. Obviously Arday must take responsibility for his own lies and fakery.

The real victims in this are

  • the academics he plagiarised - their research was stolen by Arday by a University that promoted style over substance because they didn't "look right"
  • the minority/disabled academics who will now find themselves under even more intense microscopes
  • the students who have been defrauded out of £30,000 in tuition fees for a substandard education. Sadly many of these students will be black/disabled who chose to study there precisely because they believed the hype that Jason Arday was an academic superstar ... yet ended up with a "professor" who sat on the desk and talked about himself rather than teaching the course content.

I’ve sat on the panel for professorial appointments in the uk. The process is v similar except that DEI factors in at stage 3. That is, when shortlisting, we explicitly check “did we leave anyone off because they had the wrong name / sex etc”. This is because shortlisting is the point where a good woman or minority person might get put aside among a big pile of similar cvs. But when the final decision is made, we pick the best person from the shortlist. No DEI consideration, just scores from every panel member against the person spec of the job description.

I think this is the fairest way to do things. Everyone gets a chance at being shortlisted and interviewed but the final appointment is on academic merit.

that may not be how Cambridge did things, of course.

tramtracks · Today 23:14

There’s a guy on TikTok saying he went to school with him and Sunday school. He says JA was most definitely was not non verbal. Whether to believe TikTok though..not sure - sounds plausible though. TBH I doubt now that any of his claims are true - health wise or otherwise. He’s a fantasist enabled by the obsession for DEI to trounce any academic characteristic. The world has gone bloody bonkers…

LevoitPotato · Today 23:23

Boodahh · Today 09:26

🤣

Not read the full thread, but heard Prof Kathleen Stock on the subject. She was brilliantly succinct and cut to the chase on the fact that the Cambridge academics who hired him did so entirely for their own gain, ie because of how it looked to the outside world.

We need more ppl willing to be plain speakers like her. We've got to a state of complete double speak in life. It's such bollocks.

I Hope this puts an end to the DEI plague. All it has done (its root desire may have been noble) is to put unqualified people in positions of power, authority, academia, you name it, all because of the level of melanin in their skin.

White people have bent over backwards and made absolute assess of themselves time and again, when their “person of colour” DEI choice crashes and burns, because they were always going to be inadequate for that job. In putting these feeble DEI hires on pedestals, the white decision makers felt good about themselves; it also allowed the DEI hires to scream “racism” if ever there was an attempt to question their qualifications or attributes. The whole thing has been a debacle of epic proportions.

Equality should be equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes. Until then, there will be more Hilary Cremins and more Jason Ardays.

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