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Jason Arday, Cambridge Plagiarist, thread two

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Angeruish · 08/08/2026 20:39

We are nearing our 1000-post limit on the original thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5561878-jason-arday-cambridge-plagiarist?reply=153910946

I have now removed the question mark after "plagiarist".

I can't believe the sequel will be as good as the original, but you never know...

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Marchesman · 16/08/2026 17:32

Yorkshirelass04 · 16/08/2026 17:30

Interesting how people keep boiling it down to 'he was only accused of plagiarism'. He wasn't
He made a career and boatload of cash from fabrication. He was enabled by Cambridge. If it wasn't such an extraordinary tale the media would not have been interested. As it is, a lot of people are very interested.

If Cambridge had done their job when the problem was flagged, there would have been no need for the media interest.

mids2019 · 16/08/2026 17:47

Remember Kathleen Stock .....forced from a job for criticising teams ideology. Did the same people aghast at Jason' resignation and the tragedy that enfolded have sympathy for her I wonder?

pinkdelight · 16/08/2026 17:47

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 17:32

If Cambridge had done their job when the problem was flagged, there would have been no need for the media interest.

Well quite. The media interest doesn't come from nowhere. Hopefully any investigation would be rigorous enough to look beyond the symptom to the cause, and CU will be as keen to engage openly with that as to blame the press.

Candle12 · 16/08/2026 17:48

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 17:32

If Cambridge had done their job when the problem was flagged, there would have been no need for the media interest.

Regardless of what he did or didn’t do, the media and public (and some on the thread!! ) piled on someone who was clearly vulnerable.

He was an academic, there was absolutely no need for the public pile on. I hope all involved reflect on their actions.

mids2019 · 16/08/2026 17:50

Cambridge would have to act eventually as there were more and more reports of poor performance in terms of supervision and lecturing.(Sounds like a DEI mandatory training course). I guess the investigation would look into why performance management was never under consideration and it may have been linked to maybe a fear Jason would spiral if he was under critiscism?

Yorkshirelass04 · 16/08/2026 18:01

Oh, Jess Taylor's waded in saying people shouldn't pathologise Arday.
OK, so he wasn't mentally vulnerable.

dapsnotplimsolls · 16/08/2026 18:05

A vigil has been organised for tomorrow evening in Trafalgar Square. FFS.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 16/08/2026 18:12

@mids2019 Or he would say they were being racist. We do see this a lot and it’s been a problem for years. Being totally honest, it worries employers. They want to manage people fairly according to competence and performance management policies but find they are called racist if they dare to challenge some employees. The sad position surrounding this is that employers are very wary of who they employ. I want fairness for all but some employees are not fair to their employers.

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 18:24

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 17:24

Cambridge's efforts in this area illustrate my point about bias and poor judgement.

They set out to increase their intake of students from low SES backgrounds and from state schools. Over the course of a decade they increased the annual intake of POLAR4 Q1 students by a small number, around 50. They did much better with state educated students which was well publicised. However, from being on a par in terms of outcomes with privately educated students state educated students have lately performed significantly worse - privately educated students are 50% more likely to achieve firsts.

So, Cambridge - working on the false assumption that attainment is inflated for the well-off by schooling, rather than heredity and parenting - preferentially selected a demographic that appealed to their world view, and kept on preferentially selecting them year by year as they saw the attainment gap widening according to school type.

To a limited extent they got what they wanted in terms of diversity and inclusiveness but at the expense of outcomes. Does that ring any bells?

edit - annual intake

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Thanks, Marchesman. Just wondering where you’d read the points you’d said here about privately educated students being 50% more likely to get Firsts and about Cambridge preferentially selecting a demographic that appealed to their world view? And which demographic do you mean?

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 18:31

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 17:32

If Cambridge had done their job when the problem was flagged, there would have been no need for the media interest.

I agree.

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 19:38

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 18:24

Thanks, Marchesman. Just wondering where you’d read the points you’d said here about privately educated students being 50% more likely to get Firsts and about Cambridge preferentially selecting a demographic that appealed to their world view? And which demographic do you mean?

Cambridge stopped publishing exam result data in 2017, read into that what you will. The last two year's figures below (with any luck) are from a personal freedom of information request. Their admission and access plan provides the justification, and Samoylova and Hall provide a detailed analysis of the outcome, but I can't persuade the document to download - Ekaterina Samoylova and Laura Hall, Analysis of student characteristics and attainment outcomes at the University of Cambridge, 2020.

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/university_of_cambridge_app_2020_25.pdf

Jason Arday, Cambridge Plagiarist, thread two
Corianda · 16/08/2026 19:47

Why is a uni that takes tax payers money able to just choose not to release results - what are our MPs doing that this is ok

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 19:51

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 19:38

Cambridge stopped publishing exam result data in 2017, read into that what you will. The last two year's figures below (with any luck) are from a personal freedom of information request. Their admission and access plan provides the justification, and Samoylova and Hall provide a detailed analysis of the outcome, but I can't persuade the document to download - Ekaterina Samoylova and Laura Hall, Analysis of student characteristics and attainment outcomes at the University of Cambridge, 2020.

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/university_of_cambridge_app_2020_25.pdf

I think the information you’ve given here is a bit unclear and misleading.

Do you mean Cambridge stopped publicly displaying exam results from 2017 onwards? If so, that’s not correct. They actually stopped doing that in 2021. I was there until 2015, and my results were published publicly outside Senate House as they had been in previous years.

Anonymised results from the university are also still very much available: https://www.information-hub.admin.cam.ac.uk/university-profile/ug-examination-results/results-course-dashboard.

Results by Course Dashboard | Information Hub

https://www.information-hub.admin.cam.ac.uk/university-profile/ug-examination-results/results-course-dashboard

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 19:51

Corianda · 16/08/2026 19:47

Why is a uni that takes tax payers money able to just choose not to release results - what are our MPs doing that this is ok

Please see my post below. Cambridge do release results.

HelenaWilson · 16/08/2026 19:52

If Cambridge had done their job when the problem was flagged, there would have been no need for the media interest.

If Arday (or whoever was backing him) hadn't gone to such extreme lengths to shut down investigation, the media might have been less interested.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/08/2026 20:09

OneArtfulUmberSquid · 15/08/2026 22:38

how exactly is merit judged?

By clear and structured interview questions, practical assessments, and clear objective job spec criteria.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/08/2026 20:14

OneArtfulUmberSquid · 15/08/2026 22:58

Kathleen Stock has a column in the Times (so she is certainly not 'not listened to at all'). Her recent gems include saying women with disabilities are suffering from "social contagion", and that dyslexia, dyspraxia, autism, ADHD, speech delay are 'mental illnesses' that make people unsuitable for academic careers.

Nathan Cofnas has a university job, is frequently platformed, and his 'racial science' has no basis in actual science. He has also written that 'every child that gets measles is a victory against vaccines' - again, a completely unscientific position. Since JA's death, he has said he wants to be Professor of Eugenics and Race Science in Harvard 'after the revolution'. How is that credible?

Stock was hounded out of her professorship. A Times column doesn't undo that. We are talking about people with diverse views being listened to at work, and particularly in academia. Don't move the goalposts.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/08/2026 20:18

OneArtfulUmberSquid · 16/08/2026 00:39

And were there a similar number of articles about him in a comparable period?

The JA coverage was extremely disproportionate - and as many, many people pointed out he was clearly vulnerable and possibly mentally ill. The whole episode smacks of a lynch mob.

The BBC and other media outlets were told those who knew him were concerned for his well-being and that they were in a 'life saving situation' but they persisted.

It's notable that a number of commentators and journalists and newspapers have deleted their coverage of JA:

https://feminegra.com/they-published-it-while-jason-arday-was-alive-why-are-they-deleting-it-now/

Max Mosely wasn't releasing an autobiography and hadn't exaggerated or even outright made up feats of endurance. Yet he was still all over the press to the extent that he was.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 16/08/2026 20:21

dapsnotplimsolls · 16/08/2026 18:05

A vigil has been organised for tomorrow evening in Trafalgar Square. FFS.

That probably means a BLM riot. Hope the surrounding shops and caffs will put their shutters down.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/08/2026 20:35

Marchesman · 16/08/2026 13:31

D&I is by definition not about merit. In selection processes it applies statistical data to judgements that should be made at an individual level, explicitly introducing bias to achieve a predetermined "desirable" objective, in your example, fewer white men. It is possible that there could be reasons why it might be useful to an organisation but it has nothing to do with merit.

What you are describing as "D&I" might be how the Yanks do it, but its illegal here.

For me, EDI means not getting fired when I disclose my recent autism diagnosis five years into having a job, and getting some reasonable adjustments put in place so that I can do my work even better.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2026 20:41

Quokkas · 16/08/2026 16:15

Exactly. Broadly, it’s about making sure that people from any kind of under-privileged or under-represented group have access to the same opportunities as people from more privileged groups so they can be considered for the same opportunities. The best candidates for those opportunities are then selected on merit.

Your definition of how it should work is correct, Quokkas, but employers can't overcome every disadvantage and it can all go very wrong when, for any number of reasons, they still fail to get sufficient applications from those they're keen to attract

That's when some - ignoring the nuances involved - simply cry they're "doing it wrong", and a situation can easily arise where, regardless of merit, they'll appoint anyone they can get in order to get the more unthinking campaigners off their backs

The alternative would be to address, openly and honestly, whatever factors have created the disadvantage, but that could highlight issues which some would find uncomfortable, and which aren't easily resolved

Corianda · 16/08/2026 20:42

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/08/2026 20:09

By clear and structured interview questions, practical assessments, and clear objective job spec criteria.

Well if they are done in private and results are confidential no one knows what goes on

HelenaWilson · 16/08/2026 20:54

employers can't overcome every disadvantage and it can all go very wrong when, for any number of reasons, they still fail to get sufficient applications from those they're keen to attract

Years ago, I knew someone who worked for the council in a town with one of the earliest established Asian communities in the uk. There was concern that the community was under-represented in the local police, so police, local council etc launched an initiative to try to attract more applicants. They were told in no uncertain terms that the parents didn't want their children joining the police. They wanted them to take up professions such as law, medicine, dentistry. I don't know how you'd address that.

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