Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

Of course medical schools take high achievers. These schemes are not about offering places in med school to underprivileged children with 2 Ds at A level. They are about breaking down the barriers so that clever high achieving kids WITHOUT the school or familial support to get them to the point of applying actually get to apply.

What a depressingly grim comment. Also highly inaccurate.

Aw that’s sweet. You sound lovely 🥰 xx

Factually correct, actually.

Thanks x

One thing is that in order to get a place at medical school, it is essential ( or I know it was a few years ago) to get a certain amount of work experience in a variety of situations where care for physically unwell or vulnerable people is involved. This could be a hospital, old people’s home, or hospice for example. This is to make sure the young applicant has some idea of what is involved. The experience required is more than just a few afternoons worth though.

Maybe, though, what is under discussion is the opportunity for a sixth- former to get a few days introduction to medicine with a doctor showing them around, as an inspiration.

edited for a mistake

Then the not very clever one in 6th form presumably won’t get in. The entry qualifications required are the same for all. We’re seeing this all over the country atm re most industries, who are trying so hard to fulfil quotas, be it gender related, race related, disability related, class related, which is resulting in generally crap service across the board because instead of getting the best person for the job, we’re getting below quality people in roles who are totally not up to the job, and who are there solely to fulfil some box ticking exercise.

"love this and I enjoy the wailing from parents with privately educated children. I also relish in the sadness of VAT parents" enough said.
What would you say to all the staff who have been made redundant from the now 55 schools which have closed in less than 10 month? To SEND kids forced out of schools where they were happy + settled and now don't have a school because their local state options can't meet their needs?

Children are the ultimate victims here so the fact you relish their plight says everything I need to know about you.

You’re welcome!

As Cambridge found when they started accepting kids with lower grades, they couldn’t hack it. Results went down. Cambridge have now retracted their policy. Shocker. Says no one.

It really isn’t. You have bought into the false narrative for reasons only you can explain. I have a fair idea why.

The same relative or friend who has a consultant position in an NHS Trust can get them WEX in the private hospital they also work at, surely?

You are assuming that all doctors send their kids to independent schools? None of the parents of DDs friends are medical professionals so then how would she get a "leg up"? We don't know any such parents either.

Not all independent schools are Eton you know and indeed most aren't.

But how many have a relative/ friend who is a consultant in a hospital in the first place?

That was my daughter’s experience eight years ago. She worked in a care home and volunteered at Riding at the Disabled and this seemed to go down well in her medical school applications, along with her pub job. She has also picked up some work experience in hospitals but the other things were actually more useful.

Considering there are around 18 million state school parents Vs 1 million independent school parents, the maths says that there's more chance of having a medical parent in state schools.

what works best is the higher staff to pupil ratio, in the schools that have that. So closing the private schools and making more staff available to state schools would achieve this.

Who would pay for the extra teachers? Not the government that’s for sure . All that is going to happen is the state schools will have bigger classes.

I'm very happy for private education and health care when the private sector pays in full to train its own staff rather than the tax payer, particularly when private health returns patients to the NHS to Cople with what they're not equipped to treat

You think teachers from independent schools will go to state 🤣🤣 State teachers don't want to teach in state schools!
The evidence we have from the 55 which have closed in last 11 months is that the teachers do 1 of thebfolkowin: move abroad to teach in international schools, set up as private teachers OR go back into industry.

What they don't do is teach in state schools

And fuck the children when their schools close? Yes?

Hopefully, all the private schools will close and then there’ll be far less nepotism in the workplace.

One can dream…

Huh? What an utterly ridiculous argument. We have plenty of highly trained experienced teachers who don’t want to work in schools anymore because of various reasons stated in many other teacher threads that I am not going to repeat. We do NOT have a shortage of highly trained teachers. We do NOT need to steal private school teachers to staff state schools. What the DFE need to do is work on improving teachers’ working conditions to help improve retention and overall quality of education.

Won't happen. Government couldn't afford to and many are owned by the church/charities so are protected. Court also told Labour they couldn't "tax them out of existence"
So all VAT has done is to make independent schools MORE elitist whilst at same time putting more financial pressure on the state and taxpayer 👏👏👏

I haven't rtt. Sorry too long now. But this type of guidance also applies to students with special needs who attend independent specialist schools. Can you imagine penalising special needs kids even more? It took me a very long time to actually see the guidance that ensured organisations who received grants/funding couldn't include special needs. Appalling. Those students needs work experience perhaps more than any other grouping.

Why when most contacts come through friends and family? A very tiny amount comes through school contracts and in any event I’d suggest the state school contact book is probably much larger and more varied.