Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

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Fact Finder tool on private education | PEPF

Age phase:

• At the primary stage, 5 percent of pupils attend private schools.
• At the secondary stage, 8 percent of pupils attend private schools.
• Of those in sixth forms, 17 percent of pupils attend private schools.

I select from local state schools for work experience too. In my experience private school children have plenty of connections and ways to get work experience already and I want to give the experience to children who can't get two weeks with their dad's friend. Because I believe my profession should be filled with the best from all parts of the social spectrum and therefore my duty is to give work experience access to children who can't get it through nepotism

Why should private school children have more connections? I always find this bizarre. I send my children private. I don’t know any other parents at my children’s secondary school. Where would I meet them? The only parents I know are from my child’s state primary. I have zero connections in my private life. Why would I know any doctors. I know a couple of teachers and maybe a few marketing professionals. Both my husband and I work in corporates and we are banned from giving our children work experience. So my DD didn’t do any this year as I had absolutely no one to ask. School didn’t arrange anything. I genuinely find it strange that people thing private schools are full of networking and contacts when it wasn’t true when I was at school and it isn’t true now

Teaching is mainly a degree entry profession ( there are exceptions)

Eveey teacher l worked with was articulate and all were highly intelligent. Lots with PhD’s. This is in state schools.

How can someone teach English without being articulate? And English underpins every subject.

Yeah, there are exceptions. Poor kids.

Well that's handy, because no one is being banned - as the article actually states.

I refuse to trust anything from the daily mail. It's hard to get work experience with a Dr, so many take family friends neighbours kids etc, these schemes provide opportunities for the kids who dont have those connections which is really really important. This is about giving opportunities to kids who dont have them, those on free school meals or in care will also be prioritised. If you go to private school and your mates mum is a Dr you'll get work experience, if you go to a state school and your family are on benefits or in NMW jobs you dont get access to the same opportunities. Anything that makes it easier for those young people who have potential to find a way in is a good thing, it's not about 'banning' anyone it's about opening opportunities to more young people.

It actually works out at 17.6% so 18% which proves my point thanks. FYI PEPF is a Labour funded anti-independent school think tank

Why would you think that? Many children from average backgrounds get the grades to study medicine. Whatever course you do at Uni is going to attract the same student fees. And tbh, I want the best people to be looking after mine and my children’s health in the coming years. Not people who have been given a leg up, not because of their ability, but just to fulfil some mad quota implemented by the government.

Not true.

Lots of Universities offer contextual offers, so a child from a care home from a run down sink estate area at a school with a tiny amount of leavers going to study any sort of degree, never mind medicine, ISNT going to be assessed the same as the son of a famous consultant who went to Eton, and why the hell should they.

https://www.themedicportal.com/application-guide/choosing-a-medical-school/which-medical-schools-make-contextual-offers/

How do you know they aren’t the best though?

I’ve taught very disadvantaged kids who are super clever. They just don’t realise it. Some of them much more intelligent than ones who’d apply to med school from our 6th form.

Not people who have been given a leg up, not because of their ability

That's what the whole private school system, (and the class system) silly!!

Fair enough. The private school pupils get enough privileges because their parents can afford it. They can get placements in private hospitals.

How?

You write very well and are, I expect, very smart. So you know that I didn’t misunderstand you or that you failed to express yourself fully.

The point you made, and that I deny, is that children from state schools/less privileged backgrounds, however you want to put it, are given some leg-up or incentive by work experience in hospitals. That is nonsense.

Your children, mine and all others’ who have well-supported children with parents who care about education will be fine. If medicine is their thing, great. But no good is being done by gimmicks and stunts in hospitals.

No bright child thinks medicine is out of reach because they’ve never met a doctor.

Medical schools will take high achievers, not wishful thinkers or stupid applicants.

How?

Tell me how, a small independent school with 150 pupils has an extensive network to enable leg up? Or one that charges 6K per year ie less £ per pupil than state funding?

The irony is that you can’t even type privilege; you did twice.

You are bitter, twisted and will ever get anywhere with your envious hateful attitude.

I couldn’t agree more. The notion that all private school children benefit from networking opportunities just isn’t true.

I went to a highly selective private secondary school. My parents didn’t know any of the other parents. I haven’t benefitted in any way from connections made at the school nor have any of my friends who went there as far as I know.

All have developed varying professional careers in a diverse range of industries entirely through their own efforts. No nepotism, no unfair leg ups and no short cuts.

The person you’re replying to is just repeating dogma they have been fed. Please do excuse them.

The fees, length of study and loan/grant structure are an enormous barrier.

Perhaps you need more of an education yourself. I say perhaps..

But they haven’t. They take exams at their private school, and pass them according to the criteria set - same for all pupils sitting A levels. They might have had private tutoring, but have passed exams on merit and ability. Work experience isn’t the be all and end all of getting into Uni to take medicine. It seems the government are wanting to lower the quality of students taking medicine to accommodate those who come from deprived families/communities. Not too important in some industries, but definitely hugely important in medicine that we get the most capable into the roles.

It helps people who can’t send their. children to private school justify their lack of Success / opportunity. Much easier to blame others. Human nature I suppose.

No one says anything about grammar school kids and Labour don’t say anything about wealthy kids from abroad. They are welcome. They have seat on the bus.

Are you ok hun? You want less good schools?!
What we need is better quality education in this country copying what works in a private school to bring out the best in the children and therefore the economy in the future. We need more grammar schools and more state schools that are run like private schools but free of charge. High quality education should be the aim. Destroying a sector that the country is benefiting from is basically cutting the nose despite the face. What a joke this
country has become.

This rhetoric is the issue. Private school students get more opportunities and better outcomes despite not being the best. They make up a proportionally inflated statistic of Oxbridge, they find their way into better jobs and position despite being NOT the best candidate.

I love this and I enjoy the wailing from parents with privately educated children. I also relish in the sadness of VAT parents.