Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

EXACTLY. But that is too hard for them. No headlines to get votes either. Pitiful.

Maybe ones who can spell

Isn't it just positive discrimination? South Africa's been doing it for years.

And they should also be destroying privilege.

Which is exactly what they are doing.

There Is inaccuracy in some (?most) of the examples in the newspaper article. Lots of NHS settings are focussing on Local schools for their work experience offer. Where I am it is open to those at school/sixth form in the area - including local private schools but not any schools further away. Our NHS trust runs a WEX scheme where prospective students get a taste of a range of roles - and they have to apply and be offered a slot. There is no WEX offer outside this and so if any pupil were to ask for two weeks of hospital observation as WEX - it would not be offered.
There are other ways to get relevant WEX other than hospital visits.

And ones who use full stops.

😂🙄 so very simplistic. You know (actually you probably don’t know), research has found that the greatest signifier that a child will have a happy successful life is having 2 supportive parents, who are together.. But I suppose that doesn’t fit your ‘privileged’ narrative. You’re not alone.

Not in favour of this at all. Labour is demonising the privately educated. Next the judiciary, publicly owned utilities and transport, local authorities? Ban the privately educated from standing as an MP, being nominated for an honour and sitting in the Lords? (I am state educated, DD state and private, but as a longterm Labour voter have always supported people being able to spend their money as they choose.)

For typo

😂yeah because state school parents aren’t ever supportive?

So you're happy to exclude the entire cohort from applications, even though in many cases we're talking about super bright children (e.g. half of SPS kids are within top 3% intelligence wise)? assuming you're happy to be treated by someone less intelligent/less suitable for the sake of "fairness"?

‘What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses?’

Quite. In the cheap seats too.. well who are we kidding, as if private school kids use buses…

Ok point flies over your head. Understandable.

So the grammar schools should also be excluded as although they are state schools, many of the pupils were from private schools originally and tutored to enter the grammars.

It doesn’t say what the headline says. Just private school pupils are “deprioritised “ but often can still get places on “staff referral “ so Mummy or Daddy being a doctor or knowing a doctor will still help. These courses are very competitive anyway, some also cost quite a lot. There are other ways to get the “work experience” eg join the Red Cross or St John’s Ambulance or work in a care home.
But also my DC’s state Comp was full of Doctors children.
To really encourage social mobility there needs to be free courses aimed at those from socially disadvantaged groups.

How long have these schemes been running? If they’ve been running for years (as they may well have been) it’s not exactly Labour’s fault.

Privately educated pupils are 1.5 times more likely to be offered a place at medical school once grades and socio-economic status have been taken into account anyway. They aren’t exactly disadvantaged by not being able to attend one very specific form of work experience.

Bothered. My kids' school is focusing these days on sending the kids to the US for uni, with scholarships. I'm sure people here will be happy they've taken their 'privilege' elsewhere.

Also, 'fewer', not 'less'.

Can't believe you missed that.

Yes of course it is. Being posh isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act

As work experience is usually organised through parents I can understand why they are trying to change things.

OC private school kids are more able to show super intelligence. Small classes, loads of individual attention.

No shit Sherlock.

Of course. Your username and language are signifiers of great IQ.

Oh, come on. There’s nothing wrong with schemes that try to instil children from poorer backgrounds with ambition for highly regarded professions.

But (a) it won’t make any difference to who gets taken on, and (b) medicine is becoming like teaching: so much activism that the profession is ruining its reputation.

Any more nonsense from the BMA and state school children will regard doctors like they do Mr Jones the geography teacher: a sad bloke with plenty of angry opinions about why he’s undervalued and won’t be teaching on Friday because there’s a strike.

I think it's unfair that the chance of being born to rich parents makes it much much more likely that a child will go to a good school, a good university, get a good job, be able to afford a house, etc etc.

These have been running for years with work experience as part of a 'social mobility' programme. Way before Labour got in . Private school pupils still get the experience through contacts - it's not banned. This is just to encourage those who have less social support.
Not worth getting your knickers in a twist

I can’t get worked up about this TBH.

I privately educated my kids because the state school couldn’t provide teachers in the subjects they were passionate about, and one of my kids was traumatised when trapped in a school building during an arson attack. There were no other state schools.

I haven’t been able to organise any work experience for them because all schemes are run only for state schools, and my employer counts nepotism the same as it does bribery - I am expressly not allowed to arrange anything at work or through my contacts.

But you know what? They’ll survive! The help I was able to give them to get them back on track by paying for private school more than offsets a lack of work experience.

To put it another way - if I had left them in that state school, even if they had the benefit of work experience, they would have had nowhere near the opportunities they have now had.

I just really, really wish all state schools were as good as the private school I had to pay for. And I certainly don’t begrudge state school students anything.