Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

A chat board where there are many bitter people, particularly when it comes to who they see as ‘the rich’ and private schools.

Posh is used as an insult, often. If used as a description people seem to think it’s acceptable. But call a person a chav / common, or similar and that’s outrageous. Reminds me of fat and thin. Calling a person too fat is apparently terrible, but calling them too thin is apparently totally acceptable.

Usually hypocritical rhubarb we see from certain sections of society.

That may as be.

But l was responding to the person who suggested a previous poster wasn’t very bright because she used generalisations. I thought she might prefer more specific answers. I’m not here for the posh/chav argument.

Very well said. Labour is excelling at helping Reform get THE top job in 4 years.

Slow clap for everyone cheering them on.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

So all good then? your super clever students went to top unis according to their preferences. Why ban work experience for PS?

I assume you're trying to insult me (?) but there is a difference between 17% of all 16-18 yr old children at private schools and 17% of all children of that age in education being at private school, and I was asking which one was correct. I will look it up myself if you're not sure but as it's been stated so many times here I thought a reference or link might be at your/others' fingertips.

More important are the huge stats showing that most dos are private ed.

Do you object to equality?

Because it’s about nepotism and jobs for the boys.

Do you object to equality?

I do. Wholeheartedly.

People, their IQ, skills, talents, drive, resilience, work ethics aren't equal.

I do support the aim to improve state education. I'm yet to see any Labour policy to actually do this - to improve, not to make it equal by dragging everyone down.

I'm strongly against of refusing a group of children an opportunity to join a profession they want. If there are limited places for work practice then let's decide by some testing. GCSE grades, whatever. Add a bit of weighting for FSM kids. But do not refuse this option to some kids outright based on their school. Especially so for medicine.

They’ve put a feminist in charge of the curriculum review.

That’s a fantastic start.

Nothing can be worse than the stodge introduced by Gove.

O.M.F.G.!

You win! that's the most idiotic post I've seen here for a while!

Ha ha. I don’t give a shit though.

We need a curriculum for the 21st century. Not one stuck in Gove’s grammar school head,

Anyway private schools don’t have to follow the NC so you don’t need to worry.

They need to concentrate their efforts on improving state schools via number of teachers, facilities, opportunities, providing more music / art / sport in the worst state schools (as a start).

Not spending cash on tinkering with the curriculum. And where’s the data about cash raised from the vat debacle? Oh there isn’t any.. in fact the evidence that is available seems to show it’s cost us all money.

Where are the competent politicians?

There was a thread on here recently where existing medical staff stated work experience rarely went to state-educated pupils as posts were 'reserved' for those privately educated due to nepotism. It's a very uneven playing field and when you consider most people are state educated then this, in my opinion, makes it even worse.

That’s what I think is nonsense. Not that the useless outcome matters very much, other than the (very modest) waste of public money.

These workplace experience schemes won’t help or hinder any young person. If the applicant has good enough grades and the right motivation and personality, they’ll get a place to do medicine. If they haven’t, they won’t. Two weeks at a hospital following unlucky hosting doctors or nurses around won’t make the slightest bit of difference.

Can you link it please?

I do remember such thread but it was not about private school but grammar one. Makes huge difference to what you're saying.

At this stage I'd very much support reserving places for ps kids, agree that "it's a very uneven playing field" with them being banned.

Actually Gove’s curriculum is one of the causes of school issues. Gove is the one who drove out art and music.

Dry, stodgy, prescriptive with too much content. The new curriculum will be more rounded. Every child will have to study a creative subject. Gove destroyed these.

There are lots of other ways for private school kids to get work experience. They will have connections in private hospitals, GP surgeries, even hospitals abroad. They will be fine.

If the new curriculum involves more creativity and less stodge, that’s a good thing. Let’s wait and see because I’d bet it’ll be more about rewriting the history curriculum and other unnecessary crap.

And none of it goes near school provision of sport art and music clubs. These things aren’t provided consistently at all if ever.

Ofc it’s all by the by if there aren’t enough teachers. State schools are haemorrhaging teachers because conditions are so bad. How about improving those. Too difficult apparently.

Again, no they don’t! Most private school parents are simply working professionals. They don’t have time or inclination to network with the other parents. I can say hand on heart, I have absolutely no idea what the parents of my children’s school friends do and I don’t think my child do either. It never comes up in conversation. The people who I consider my friends are teachers and marketing people who can offer zero help to my children. I can’t offer help to anyone as I work for a corporate where you can’t give work experience to friends and family. No one has any connections!!!

And "contacts" is always cited as a reason to choose private school

I disagree as I think the main reason is the education itself, help for individual needs in smaller classes with more teachers, provision of sports, music and drama, a presumption that most there will do their best and be aspirational, interested in their work and be willing to work hard. Some are very selective so the point is they are like a grammar school.

Helpful contacts come from a milieu where there are professional parents, whether their children are at state or private schools, and a headteacher who is good at calling on their help.

Private schools are now so expensive that fewer people can afford to send their children to them, especially if they have more than one child. There are plenty of state schools with children who are certainly privileged relative to children in poor disadvantaged areas.

The NE in particular has many very poor people. The exam results are dire compared to the SE, though London schools seem to do better even for the poor and disadvantaged, and the SE has grammar schools for those who can afford to live where they are. The poor NE children in difficult areas will most likely not get the chance to go to medical school and they could be held back from that long before the work experience stage.

The best chance for a poor but brilliant student who is living in a poor area would be for their head teacher to contact a private school and get them a bursary there (if they would like to go), or failing that, a teacher at their school who takes them under their wing and mentors them.
Perhaps regular general mentoring and encouragement from willing professionals would really help a lot too.

This is true.

Exactly the amount to raise 1 child from 0-18 is about £200k without schooling . Each subsequent child will be less but say it is £100k ish. That amount looks remarkably like the figure of private secondary school. A parent sending an only child private costs less than another family will spend having 2 children but sending them both state. Different choices but same income so same privilege. I met a lady who had 5 children complaining about private schools and all I could think about was you have so much more than a person who has one child who sends them private.

It’s not about specific “doctor contacts” It’s about being in the part of society where it is assumed that if you’re clever and want to be a doctor that is a path open to you. That you won’t be held back by anything except your determination and ability.

Couldn't agree more.

So why being a private school student will hold the kids back and prevent them from getting work practice?

I think you’ve got a typo so forgive me if I’ve misunderstood. My point is that generally if you a private school kid you’re not being held back because you already belong in that stratum of society. And even if you are one of the very rare ones who don’t, then the simple fact of being at that school will give you that sense of belonging there. Will teach you the language and the rules.