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Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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beelegal · 17/08/2025 15:16

“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

Private school students 'barred' from work experience at NHS hospitals

Some of the UK's largest hospital trusts have effectively barred private-school pupils who want to be doctors from undertaking vital NHS work experience.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

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FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:02

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 19:05

Perhaps you need more of an education yourself. I say perhaps..

I don't know, I have four degrees already. Any more would (perhaps) be slightly OTT.

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:06

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:02

I don't know, I have four degrees already. Any more would (perhaps) be slightly OTT.

Ohh you must be Very Clever if you have 4 degrees.

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:06

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 19:58

I didn’t say not very clever.

I said l’d taught kids who were brighter than those who’d applied to med school. I didn’t say the ones who’d applied to med school weren’t bright. But that some students were very very clever but didn’t have the same advantages as the less bright but still clever kids.

But surely esteemed highly intelligent and highly educated teacher helped these super bright kids to navigate? right?

twistyizzy · 17/08/2025 21:08

redskydelight · 17/08/2025 21:01

I don't think either of us have any idea how "doctor contacts" are spread amongst state and private schools. It's likely that there are a lot of parents in state schools that have no useful contacts. And "contacts" is always cited as a reason to choose private school.

I agree it's likely that 18 million parents will have more contacts than 1 million, but it's no good to a state school student in Liverpool that there are loads of doctor parents in leafy home counties state schools. What's important is the number of contacts an individual might have.

Your DD might not have any contacts in her cohorts but private schools are very good at keeping in touch with alumni, and also with making connections across schools, so she is in a better place than an equivalent student at a rural state school.

Affluent parents also tend to make friends with other affluent people, so whilst there may be no actual doctor parents in the school, there is more of a good chance that a parent might be friends with one.

Or, put it another way. Do you really think it's more likely your DD will find a doctor contact if she went to a rural state school instead?

Well there are 2 state schools each with approx 600 kids Vs the single independent school with 400 so statistically it's probably more likely to happen in the state school.

These mythical "networks" may have been true 40+ years ago but society has moved on. You think the kids in the state school politicians use don't have amazing work experience networks? Or kids in state grammar schools?
Networks come from having parents in professional type jobs, irrespective of which school you go to.

twistyizzy · 17/08/2025 21:10

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:02

I don't know, I have four degrees already. Any more would (perhaps) be slightly OTT.

And yet you still lack critical thinking skills and are extremely prejudiced. Doesn't say much for your education does it? Strange that someone with 4 degrees feels so threatened by children from independent schools that they have to contruct a whole false narrative to themselves about the types of people those children are.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:13

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:06

But surely esteemed highly intelligent and highly educated teacher helped these super bright kids to navigate? right?

What were you saying about grammar? 😂

Yeah that’s what a teacher does…..

sanityisamyth · 17/08/2025 21:14

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 15:25

I didn’t say that.

We need less private schools. And more working class doctors. This is the first step towards it.

They don’t HAVE to go to private schools. They could just go to a state school like everyone else.

Iys great that it’s stamping out the privelisge of private education.

Do you have any idea which children usually go to independent schools?

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:16

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:13

What were you saying about grammar? 😂

Yeah that’s what a teacher does…..

Edited

Multitasking 😉

And not a teacher, sorry.

Still, how did you help these kids?

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:17

twistyizzy · 17/08/2025 21:10

And yet you still lack critical thinking skills and are extremely prejudiced. Doesn't say much for your education does it? Strange that someone with 4 degrees feels so threatened by children from independent schools that they have to contruct a whole false narrative to themselves about the types of people those children are.

Gah this again. Please go back to my previous post. I think you have mixed me up with another poster who said something pretty rude about PS students. I have absolutely nothing against privately educated children/adults and spend 90% of my life working, very happily, amongst them!!

VaccineSticker · 17/08/2025 21:19

Perryfrog · 17/08/2025 20:56

Sorry to pick at this but just irritated me the way "middle class" is used to mean rich on this site. Only 7% of kids go to private school you have to be very wealthy to afford them fees middle class kids at regular schools are not their counterparts.

Middle means middle that's the hill I'm dying on

Debatable- consider a family of two parents (earning around £50k each outside London area) have one child who they have put through private education.
This is not a rich family, this is middle class family who is living very comfortable life and are not classed as rich. They have a mortgage and bills to pay like everyone else. They are in their 40s have worked their way up at work.

The above is your typical private school family in the UK. They choose to spend their money this way.

BTW-
A 2025 HSBC survey found that the UK public generally considers an annual income of £213,000 sufficient to be seen as wealthy—over six times the national average salary.

If you genuinely believe that all privately educated school families earn more than £215k then there’s no point having a debate on this. I have worked in private schools and I can tell you now that the families who go there do not earn anywhere near that amount.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:19

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:16

Multitasking 😉

And not a teacher, sorry.

Still, how did you help these kids?

Edited

??? By stretching them? Giving them more difficult work? Making them aware of their subject outside the classroom.

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:19

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:17

Gah this again. Please go back to my previous post. I think you have mixed me up with another poster who said something pretty rude about PS students. I have absolutely nothing against privately educated children/adults and spend 90% of my life working, very happily, amongst them!!

You called all private school pupils ‘posh’.

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:23

Perryfrog · 17/08/2025 20:56

Sorry to pick at this but just irritated me the way "middle class" is used to mean rich on this site. Only 7% of kids go to private school you have to be very wealthy to afford them fees middle class kids at regular schools are not their counterparts.

Middle means middle that's the hill I'm dying on

Agree about ‘middle class’. Though 17% kids age 16-18 go to private school.

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:25

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:19

You called all private school pupils ‘posh’.

Oh yeah I stand by that and don't know why people are so upset by that word, it's not an insult to be posh! 😂

Longnightmoon · 17/08/2025 21:26

Drfosters · 17/08/2025 19:26

Who would pay for the extra teachers? Not the government that’s for sure . All that is going to happen is the state schools will have bigger classes.

They would just fill the vacancies currently being carried

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:26

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:23

Agree about ‘middle class’. Though 17% kids age 16-18 go to private school.

Is that 17% of all 16-18 yo go to private school or 17% of 16-18 yo who are at school are at a private school? I presume it's the latter?

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:28

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:26

Is that 17% of all 16-18 yo go to private school or 17% of 16-18 yo who are at school are at a private school? I presume it's the latter?

🙄

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:29

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:25

Oh yeah I stand by that and don't know why people are so upset by that word, it's not an insult to be posh! 😂

It’s demonstrates how you generalise. And therefore undermines anything else you say.

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:31

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:28

🙄

... it was a genuine question. 100% of 16-18 year olds aren't at school

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:33

You know what is really sad here? It's extremism.

By all means, let's work on outreach programs and partnerships, etc, etc. I know a lot of top tier PS (in London at least, first hand experience) make a lot of efforts to support state schools. But an outright ban for PS kids?

You make quotas for uni admissions for PS students - well, a lot of most the desirable employers now run uni blind assessments for grads. Surprise surprise, it led to a much higher proportion of PS grads getting the jobs. I remember a thread here a couple of years ago when some poster had DS with contextual to Oxbridge and was fuming at uni blind recruitment.

At present Labour are doing all they can to give Reform majority in 2029. It doesn't require two brain cells to see that DEI targets, incl socio-economic background, will be the first ones to go. Remember Trump in Feb? Unfortunately we will be there in four years.

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:33

FrodoBiggins · 17/08/2025 21:31

... it was a genuine question. 100% of 16-18 year olds aren't at school

I can see how you got 4 degrees.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:33

Absentmindedsmile · 17/08/2025 21:29

It’s demonstrates how you generalise. And therefore undermines anything else you say.

How picky.

Perhaps an Acorn definition with various subgroups would have been better? Would that have suited you more? I mean it’s just a chat board.

travellinglighter · 17/08/2025 21:35

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 17/08/2025 17:57

Yes. It’s bollocks. They got bought off by Labour. And like wolves chasing the meat chucked off the back of the sled they want more and are chasing. They’re perfectly well paid.

So over 10 years they saw a real terms reduction of a 1/3 and they shouldn’t do anything about it? I don’t work in medicine but if my colleagues and I were facing a pay cut we’d fight like tooth and nail to stop it.

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:36

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:19

??? By stretching them? Giving them more difficult work? Making them aware of their subject outside the classroom.

Where did they end up?

You say it's not the brightest who went to medical school - why so? or hang on, did these super bright kids even want to be become medics?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:39

nearlylovemyusername · 17/08/2025 21:36

Where did they end up?

You say it's not the brightest who went to medical school - why so? or hang on, did these super bright kids even want to be become medics?

They went to RG. Or Oxbridge.

No they didn’t particularly want to be medics. But they were brighter than those who did. But it was all in answer to someone saying they only wanted the best to be doctors.

Well sometimes doctors aren’t the best or the brightest.