Child not in education failed manage move.

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I thought i would come on here as a last resort. my daughter has been in school A for all of year 7 and the start of year 8, but she was having a hard time at school after witnessing a traumatic event, bullying, and was travelling far to get to school, and most days she would just refuse school because she hated it.
We applied for a transfer to school b, but because they were full it turned into a manage move. My daughter was at school b from March 5th to June 20th, and she made new friends, got onto the dance team, improved her grades, had 100% attendance, and the school was closer to home.
Unfortunately on June 20th the school phoned me and said she had failed her manage move, because of lateness. My child has a problem with punctuality that i am working on with her, but she struggles with her mental health a lot especially when at school.
She had been late to avoid going to form where some girls had been giving her trouble and she had to sit next to them, but she had been to her pastoral multiple times about this asking to move forms and nothing happened.
I have appealed the failed manage move, contacted local governors, emailed and called both schools multiple times and had no help getting her back into a school, and right now she is not registered at any school. She has taken accountability for where she has went wrong and is willing to put in 100% effort to change that, but she desperately wants to be back in school b. Any advice would be appreciated

If it was a managed move, she’d stay on roll at her original school. They should not remove her from roll. The whole point of a managed move is that it’s like a trial period at another school, and if it doesn’t work out the child returns to the previous school.

I have no experience of this system, but I would have thought if there was something which looked like it might be causing a problem, the school should have let you know. Was it at the second school she was late? Did you know this?

@cramptrampi removed her from the original school as she wouldn’t attend, and the school was not giving her a suitable education
; she wasn’t learning anything.

She will be registered at the old school. What plan was put in place when she moved - do you have a copy of any adaptations?

@BoredZeldait was the second school, yes i did know, the issue wasn’t raised with me by the school before removing her from the school though.

If you removed her it wasn't a managed move. That is something arranged by the first school

@Pieceofpurpleskyi don’t have any copies of anything .

i removed her from school a after she failed the manage move

A managed move works like this: child remains in roll at School 1 while attending School 2. If, at the end of a specified time, all is well, child goes on roll at School 2 and comes off roll at School 1. However, if things go wrong at School 2 before the specified time is up, child stops attending School 2 and is then expected to start attending School 1 (where they are still on roll) again.

At what point did you take your child off roll from School 1? You cannot normally do this unless other plans are in place for your child's education, such as elective home education. Did you register your child for EHE (elective home education)?

i took her off at the end of July, and yes she is EHE

Sorry are you saying you removed her from the original school during the managed move or after it failed? My understanding of Managed moves are no issues will be raised with you it's a straight fail if the child is not meeting the objectives and they will then return to the original school. If you removed her from a school roll did you advise you will be home educating her? If yes then her education is currently your responsibility. If you do not want to home educated and wish her to be back in school then you need to advise your local home ed team the local authority, they will then close her to their services and refer her to the children missing education team who will work with you to find a school place, but please not this will be any school that has a place and not necessarily the school you want it they are full or refuse her on behaviour grounds

Your only option really is to find a new school. You have chosen to home educate her rather than work with the schools (I understand why). I would contact the local authority and see what schools may have a place

i removed her after it failed, and i did not say i would be home educating her, unless necessary temporarily. if the school isn’t full can they refuse her on the grounds of lateness even if its with a reason?

do you think i should contact the board of education and local authorities to ask if their is anything i can do to get her back into school b or is it not possible. she has always been a school refuser but she had just started to attend regularly and her mental health was improving whilst at school b.

Hi this case, you can still apply for school places while ehe but her education is currently your responsibility, have your local ehe team been in touch or have you contacted them for advice? As while waiting for a school place you will need to be educating her at home and the la will.be in touch to see what this education looks like to ensure it's full time and suitable for her age, ability and any educational needs

Yes , if school b deem the managed move to have failed then that is sufficient.

nobody has been in contact as original school haven’t marked her as EHE yet, because they are ‘busy’

Contact your statutory Education team or the EHE team at your local authority and explain you would like a school place for your daughter. See if there is someone you can speak to and outline your experience. Local authorities have a Fair Access panel for students who have been excluded and some other situations and so it is worth asking about this to see if you can use this to get a space.
In terms of which school, it may be tricky to get a space at school B if they feel she did not manage her move there - but it is worth exploring. Good luck.

@YourJoyousDenimExpertthank you i will try that

Okay, so she is 'in education'.

If you want her to attend an actual school, you need to get her on the waiting lists of as many as possible. Now is a good time to do that, because there will be movement at the start of September.

Even though there may be spaces in her year group at school b, having failed a MM there is I think one of the reasons the school can turn down her application.

Were you hoping to force their hand by removing her from school a once school b had told you the move had failed?

Your only choices now are to either apply back to school a, apply to b and probably have to appeal, or apply to a third school.

I understand your dd has ‘taken accountability’ for where she went wrong but unfortunately this doesn’t mean the consequences of her actions won’t still be upheld.
I really do understand as I have had difficulties over the years with various mental health issues with my dc and it’s very very difficult/upsetting/stressful and the rest of it. But sadly schools don’t have the ability always to manage students who fail their managed move as the whole point if a MM is to see if things work. And they didn’t.

are there other schools you could try?

there are a few in mind but it would just be challenging maintaining attendance with her mental health and she won’t know anybody there

Why did you remove her from school A after she had failed the managed move?

The process is that she stays “on the books” at A while on a managed move because they do sometimes fail, as this has, in which case she just goes back to A. By removing her you’ve left yourselves in no mans land really- you knew she had failed her managed move, and you took responsibility yourself by removing her from A.

You can’t force school B to take her, I wouldn’t waste any time on that if I was you. She was offered a managed move and it failed, they can now turn her away without battle.

You need to go back to A, or another school.

At what point did school b tell you the lateness was an issue and at what point did they confirm she had failed the mm?

If she was regularly missing tutor group then that kore than a bit of lateness.

I think you need to move on and plan to home educate while looking for another school.