Child not in education failed manage move.

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I thought i would come on here as a last resort. my daughter has been in school A for all of year 7 and the start of year 8, but she was having a hard time at school after witnessing a traumatic event, bullying, and was travelling far to get to school, and most days she would just refuse school because she hated it.
We applied for a transfer to school b, but because they were full it turned into a manage move. My daughter was at school b from March 5th to June 20th, and she made new friends, got onto the dance team, improved her grades, had 100% attendance, and the school was closer to home.
Unfortunately on June 20th the school phoned me and said she had failed her manage move, because of lateness. My child has a problem with punctuality that i am working on with her, but she struggles with her mental health a lot especially when at school.
She had been late to avoid going to form where some girls had been giving her trouble and she had to sit next to them, but she had been to her pastoral multiple times about this asking to move forms and nothing happened.
I have appealed the failed manage move, contacted local governors, emailed and called both schools multiple times and had no help getting her back into a school, and right now she is not registered at any school. She has taken accountability for where she has went wrong and is willing to put in 100% effort to change that, but she desperately wants to be back in school b. Any advice would be appreciated

Is she getting any help for her mental health? If she return back to school she should get accommodations - part-time timetable, maybe later start, or pastoral team should be involved with her anxiety issues. What other issues has been having? Was the bullying dealt with well or not?

If you have now removed her from school 2 then you'll need to contact the LA.

Was she late as not in the building or late but was there and therefore missing? Is she leaving for school at the right time/ you dropping her off? Do you / they know where is she during this time?

It is a huge safeguarding issue when schools don’t know where students are, which will be taking up a lot of staff time. I am not surprised that this is classes as a failed managed move as they can’t keep her safe (they don’t know where she is).

I would ask about if they followed correct procedures of informing you about her persistent lateness, offering solutions/support and did you know she was going to fail the move in advance? I don’t know much about this but there might be room to appeal on these grounds.

If the school has spaces, just apply - they can't refuse her.
If the school is full, it's more difficult, but definitely go on the waiting list for any school you would be happy with - you never know who might move over the summer holidays.

This isn’t true. She failed a managed move which means actually they can refuse her under challenging behaviour, lateness.

Only if the condition of paragraph 3.11 of the Admissions Code is also met.

Schooladmissionscode_2021.pdf https://share.google/wVwT9vhtCsGpTz1vy

Unless the OP's DD also has a string of permanent exclusions that haven't been mentioned yet.

Can you get your MP to advocate for you??

Yes. Absolutely contact the LA. Get support from them.

@Bufftailedim not sure how i would go about that, but i will look into it. thanks

she was not in the building late. she was leaving for school at the right time but not getting to the bus stop. i know where she is during this time as i have life360 app. she did receive a warning but continued .

she is not currently getting help for her mental health . the bullying wasn’t dealt with well, she requested to move forms to avoid them multiple times , but was told to ‘ignore them’ which is hard considering there was a big group.

Was the move to the new school an off site direction or a managed move? Managed moves are a permanent move to the new school and trial periods on a managed move are not allowed. Check with the new school whether she has been removed from roll and if she, what are the grounds for removal.
The Statutory Guidance does not itself cover ‘trial periods’ but the DfE’s parent guidance on exclusions is explicit that they are not permitted. It was historically the case that schools would agree a ‘trial’ at a new school to see if this should become a permanent move, with pupils returning to the home school if it was ‘failed’. We do not believe that there is anything unlawful with some short period of dual registration, but schools need to understand the limits of dual registration. The DfE’s parent guidance is clear that a direction off-site to another school could be used initially and then become a permanent managed move if everyone was in agreement. Whilst the intention of a managed move is a permanent transfer of a pupil from one school to another, this is described as a “process” in the Statutory Guidance.
If a young person is attending a school and receiving education, then they will be caught by the relatively wide definition of ‘pupil’ and they will need to be put on the roll of the school. Whenever a pupil is put on a school’s roll, the School Attendance (Pupil Registration) (England) Regulations 2024 apply.

Firstly, you've agreed that your daughter is currently electively home educated. So, if you wish her to attend school you will need to apply using an in year admission application stating your preferences. Section 3.10 of the admissions code is difficult for schools to use as a refusal as it has to be backed up by a record of at least regular suspensions. Should your application be referred to a fair access panel (if your preferences aren't full but refuse to offer the place) then School A would be told to take your daughter back on roll. Managed moves do fail all the time and the agreement is that the student will return to the original school. Managed moves are an agreement between the 2 schools, the local authority monitor them but cannot force a managed move school to take a student back once the managed move is deemed by the school to have failed. You won't get anywhere approaching governors or the local authority.
Apply using an in year admission application now or your daughter will remain registered as electively home educated and the local authority has no obligation to provide any place.
You need to do this quickly as there will be others moving into the area who may be higher priority if you need to use waiting lists.
I'm a fair access officer so I do know what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what the previous poster is talking about that there's no such thing as a trial period etc, schools can set their own time frame and targets for managed moved (typically they last 6 weeks) but you should have been informed at a mid review point that attendance was an issue and likely to cause the managed move to fail

Surely though you need to take some responsibility of getting her to school on time. You can’t blame school B if she regularly didn’t turn up on time as she didn’t want to be in form time.

youve admitted you’ve got L360 and knew she wasn’t going to the bus stop

Lateness is time consuming for staff but also disruptive to other students. Surely this was all explained to her when the managed move was agreed to?

What makes you think that she now not be tardy?

The ‘previous poster’ is referring to DfE Guidance 😂 The last poster is incorrect, trail periods are not allowed on managed moves. OP have a read of the Government Guidance for Parents https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-exclusions-guide-for-parents
To quote from this GOVERNMENT guidance:
Schools should not use a ‘trial period’ or ‘trial admission’ for managed moves, as a managed move is a permanent move to another school.
Some LA’s are allowing schools to do this, but it doesn’t mean it’s lawful.

Correct me if I’m wrong she’s experiencing bullying in both schools or just school a, you said some issues with girls is it in school b as well?

This is just a guide - it says it’s not a definitive statement or law

Yes but it's normal practice for many schools even academies, I know many times where this happens with a trial period. The DfE has guidance but it's not completely law and schools can and often do bypass it. Whether that should be completely banned is a different conversation.

Go to the GP and let them know what's going on, they can likely refer her to CAHMS and for some therapy as well. At least then you'll have documentation on the impact of the bullying and she can start the process to getting some help for her MH.

It’s the DfE Exclusions Guidance that all maintained schools and academies adhere to. Trial periods are not allowed on a managed move. It’s clearly stated in both this guidance to parents that I linked to and in the DfE Suspensions and Exclusions Guidance. A managed move is a permanent move onto another school roll. Read the guidance.

she has experienced bullying at both schools yes. one of the girls in school b is cousins to the bullier from school a so it’s continued over.

the move to a new school was referred to as both an offsite direction and a managed move by different teachers, i’m confused ?

i take full responsibility to not getting her to school on time and i recognise that was our fault.

she has been removed from roll from both schools, and the grounds for removal are punctuality for school b.

Why did you not ensure she was getting to school at the correct time?

i tried but i have 4 other kids, depression, pneumonia, and work. I made sure she left the house on time which was the most i could do