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Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

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BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 12:41

Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

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QuantumLevelActions · 21/06/2025 15:07

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 14:42

Excuse me. The government have introduced a 20% tax on education services for children aged between 5 and 18. It came in on January 1st. I think a tiny bit of research might help before posting rude comments.

No they didn't. You are wilfully misunderstanding to make a ridiculous, prejudiced point.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/06/2025 15:08

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:07

She thinks taxing education is a good idea. Jesus, it’s like the whole point of the thread.

Most of us on MN also think this.

Are we all "not very bright"?

I think not. When people have different views to you, it doesn't mean they're less intelligent. Just that they disagree.

musicinme · 21/06/2025 15:08

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 14:38

I’m not sure I’ve got my point across very well on this. She wasn’t expressing a view on a tariff on bananas, she was openly supporting the education tax and laughing about our local prep closing.

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Sorry it is obviously me here, and for that I apologise. But I still don't understand the red flag. Isn't it healthy for children to mix with children whose parents may have differing views? In the very remote chance this topic of conversation came up within your child's hearing, could you not later explain your view on this? And is there any of us who had some point haven't criticised, or laughed at something others may deem inappropropriate or disagree with? Has there never been a moment where everyone doesn't think "oh maybe I shouldn't have said that."

ShelleyShortcake · 21/06/2025 15:08

TheTealZebra · 21/06/2025 14:56

As far as I'm aware private dentistry services don't entail setting children up on different paths in life based on how rich their parents are

They’re on different paths in life anyway. Why not put your efforts into trying to get better outcomes from state education?

And don’t pretend this does that we all know it doesn’t. 1/6 of a teacher in a handful of schools offer by withdrawal of support from indies towards state sector is hardly going to get anyone any extra exam points is it.

QuantumLevelActions · 21/06/2025 15:10

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:07

She thinks taxing education is a good idea. Jesus, it’s like the whole point of the thread.

Your posts are an absolute education into the lengths people will go to and the knots they will tie themselves into to try to take the moral high ground.

Why shouldn't these businesses pay the same tax as other businesses?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/06/2025 15:10

QuantumLevelActions · 21/06/2025 15:07

No they didn't. You are wilfully misunderstanding to make a ridiculous, prejudiced point.

Also, posting nonsense about a play date.
This is just another attempt to smear the government's policies on private schools.

Itallcomesdowntothis · 21/06/2025 15:11

TheTealZebra · 21/06/2025 14:56

As far as I'm aware private dentistry services don't entail setting children up on different paths in life based on how rich their parents are

Funnily enough I do. I think any two tiering of achool, or healthcare or dentistry creates an imbalance. I come for a country that has almost no private schools, no private healthcare and no private dentists and I like that system a lot better.

Fargo79 · 21/06/2025 15:11

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:07

She thinks taxing education is a good idea. Jesus, it’s like the whole point of the thread.

So literally everyone who doesn't share your political views RE private education is stupid? And you think that this woman is the bigot?

SweetnsourNZ · 21/06/2025 15:11

Hoppinggreen · 21/06/2025 12:47

It gets especially problematic when they get to UNI
They mix with people who's parents may hold all sorts of "views"
<shudder>

And let's not even think about religion. Lol

SidewaysOtter · 21/06/2025 15:11

Civilised grownups can disagree on a subject without falling out over it. That you see VAT on private schools as a red line to stop having anything to do with someone is ludicrous.

Your attitudes and intolerance are more of a problem than her opinions.

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:11

QuantumLevelActions · 21/06/2025 15:07

No they didn't. You are wilfully misunderstanding to make a ridiculous, prejudiced point.

FFS it’s an easily verifiable fact.

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UniqueRedSquid · 21/06/2025 15:12

I work in tax. I think ending the exemption (for that is what it was) was, on balance, the right move. I am aware that there will be some people that feel hard done by.

My partner and I agree on this. They have a first class degree from Cambridge, run a successful business and almost always win the pub quiz.

Can somebody explain to me how their view on this subject renders them 'not bright'?

Hoppinggreen · 21/06/2025 15:13

Pinty · 21/06/2025 15:05

Just like any other business
It is VAT and that is how it works
Schools don't have to pass the cost onto the parents and many haven't
I don't understand why it is unfair for private schools to be treated any differently from any other business.
And up until 1994 private schools did pay VAT anyway. It was an exemption brought in then
Perfectly fair and reasonable to remove the exemption.
What it definitely isn't is a tax on education.

They DO have to pass the cost on, there is no choice about charging VAT if you are a VAT registered Business. You CAN reduce charges to mitigate but it has to be added to the bill

DarkForces · 21/06/2025 15:13

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:07

She thinks taxing education is a good idea. Jesus, it’s like the whole point of the thread.

This isn't a minority view.

Amy73838 · 21/06/2025 15:13

Itallcomesdowntothis · 21/06/2025 15:11

Funnily enough I do. I think any two tiering of achool, or healthcare or dentistry creates an imbalance. I come for a country that has almost no private schools, no private healthcare and no private dentists and I like that system a lot better.

Private housing? I assume you are against that too.

Soontobesingles · 21/06/2025 15:13

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:07

She thinks taxing education is a good idea. Jesus, it’s like the whole point of the thread.

It’s not ‘taxing education’. It’s removing the tax exemption that private schools could claim by (dubiously) having ‘charitable’ status, despite being businesses! It’s a tax loophole closure. You may disagree with it, but it’s hard to see how this disagreement could calcify to fear and hatred for someone who has the opposite view.

1543click · 21/06/2025 15:13

I imagine many parents in your childs class think exactly as she does. I do and actually I'm quite bright! :) ( and nice)
Are you going to question all your daughter's friends parents on their political views before she can play with them. Maybe send out a questionnaire for them to fill in.
Your poor little girl.

TheAmusedQuail · 21/06/2025 15:13

I don't think it's an issue you've turned down this playdate. I think you've done the other mum a massive favour. I would be very grateful (genuinely not trying to be snippy) if someone with views that are diametrically opposed to mine politely turned down a playdate. In fact, the other mum probably wouldn't have extended the invitation if she'd known the extremity of your POV. Unless she was putting her child first, of course. It's sad for your daughter, but I'm sure she has other friends.

musicinme · 21/06/2025 15:13

Amy73838 · 21/06/2025 15:02

The mother won’t be very bright. That would be a turn off for me but not a deal breaker that should impact my child’s friendships.

Can you please explain why the mother is not very bright? I not sure we have enough information here to give her a mensa test? Or are we only considering "bright" as someone who agrees with us?

Jeschara · 21/06/2025 15:14

94% think you are being unreasonable, you really do not like people disagreeing with you.
So what if you dislike her views, hers are hers and yours are yours. The children like each other, Mother has offered you a playdate and the daughter is lovely,whats the problem?
I would let the children play. Red flags, what red flags? Only the ones you are seeing. You sound like an arrogant insufferable snob.
The children want to play together, the other child is lovely I can't see a problem, when all said and done you and the Mothers don't have to be friends.

ShelleyShortcake · 21/06/2025 15:14

QuantumLevelActions · 21/06/2025 15:10

Your posts are an absolute education into the lengths people will go to and the knots they will tie themselves into to try to take the moral high ground.

Why shouldn't these businesses pay the same tax as other businesses?

By that measure you think universities should pay the same tax as other businesses?

pharmer · 21/06/2025 15:15

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 13:14

Yes I understand, but this is malice towards children. She was over the moon the school had closed like it was a normal view, I just can’t reconcile that with being a good parent. Reading the comments, it seems people think I’m overreacting but I’m going to go with my gut on this one and politely decline. Thanks for the posts.

And what were your thoughts towards the children you were buying an unfairv advantage over, for your own child?

Amy73838 · 21/06/2025 15:15

DarkForces · 21/06/2025 15:13

This isn't a minority view.

Because many people are hopelessly misinformed.

If the question was worded more accurately as “do you support paying more tax to harm the education of a small group of other children” do you think people would be so open with their support?

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:15

SidewaysOtter · 21/06/2025 15:11

Civilised grownups can disagree on a subject without falling out over it. That you see VAT on private schools as a red line to stop having anything to do with someone is ludicrous.

Your attitudes and intolerance are more of a problem than her opinions.

If you read what I wrote, it’s also her bigoted views towards privately educated children and delight in a local school closing. I don’t think it makes me particularly uncivilised to want to avoid people like that.

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Itallcomesdowntothis · 21/06/2025 15:16

BonnuitMy · 21/06/2025 15:05

It’s a nifty trick to know more what the woman said than I do. Thank you for your insight.

Hey you’re welcome. At least you have listened. I never said I knew what the other mun said but it doesn’t matter. You posted what you wanted us to know and we have given you feedback. No trick or was it nifty. But the passive aggressive response was amusing.