Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

[BonnuitMy]

Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

It's simple with private schools, either you can afford it or you can't, no hatred or jealousy involved.

So no hatred drives a policy which hasn't worked elsewhere, which no other country has, and which people support even if it doesn't bring in money. Sure, mate.

Who exactly is going to benefit in any shape or form then? Other than the fleeting sentiment of stick it to them? I mean how much value is there in that satisfaction?

Perceived hatred and a comparison to 2015 Greece, sure mate.

Posters on here have said they don't care if the policy doesn't raise money. What do you call that?

Greece is too different a country? Fine. Why don't you choose a more similar country which has successfully applied VAT to private schools? Oh, that's right - because no such country exists!!

And why should it work in the UK? Silence...

Why wouldn't it work in the UK? Silence...

I have seen no hatred against PS parents, maybe some hatred against cats

New Zealand applies a tax.

Like I said in my original message, where I did mention New Zealand, New Zealand also gives a subsidy to families going private.

Ah, these pesky details that keep getting in the way of baseless ideology...

You are the one calling it a baseless ideology without facts.

You don't like it, fine. Nobody likes paying extra.

You could campaign for subsidised private eduation.

Why wouldn't it work in the UK?

The only time it was tried - Greece 2015 - it resulted in school closures, job losses for teachers, overcrowding in state scools and the policy costing taxpayers more than the revenue generated. So Greece reversed it.

The same conditions apply in the UK as existed in Greece.

In oarticular, the UK government pays £8k per year for each child educated in state schools and £0 for children educated privately. So each child whose parents decide to move them from private school to state school costs the UK state £8k.

Do you remember what state Greece was in in 2015? They also got told by the EU to reverse it.

But if Greece whataboutery is your argument, you crack on.

Do read the Adam report which analyses revenue and costs, and estimates that 10% migration will result in the policy having £0 net revenue. Any more than that will cost the UK state.

Note that the government predicted that 3000 children would have moved from private school to state school by this point (6 months in). In fact, 13 000 have already moved.

Whilst it's hard to extrapolate how many will eventually move, Labour's estmate is looking wildly out.

I suggest we wait and see what September brings for 6th form entrance.

Doesn't affect me. But I do feel sad for kids who miss out on their 6th form preference because of Labour's policy.

The Adam Smith Institute, who funds them?

Oh, so you don't believe that at 10% migration, the policy starts costing the UK state money. I mean I guess gaslighting and denial is one way of avoiding facing up to the damage caused by Labour.

Any insight on what you think is wrong in the report?

Just remind me who wrote the report that assumed 3-5% migration, which Labour used as an excuse for the policy? 15k-25k migration - not far off that already. Within a school year.

And assumed that every penny not spent on fees would be spent on gadgets snd new cars which attract VAT. No holidays abroad, no mortgage over payments, no 2nd hand cars, no pension payments, no reduced working hours.

But like I said, it doesn't affect me. So you crack on with sticking your head in the sand.

Ah immigration, ofcourse it comes back to that.

Immigration? What's that got to do with anything?

Oh, you mean 'migration'. I just mean how many students who would have gone to private school instead go to state as a result of the policy. Ie migration from the private sector to the state sector.

Notably, it includes these who chose not to start private school as a result of the tax,not only those who started private then left.

Without facts? Ha ha ha ha

I pointed out the fact that no other country has it
The fact that Greece tried it but reversed it because it backfired
The fact that NZ charges it BUT it also gives subsidies to families going private

These are not facts? Do you even know what a fact is??

Tell me, what facts are you basing your support on?

In a since deleted post by Starmer, he has confirmed that the VAT money is NOT going to fund 6500 teachers, is NOT going to fund the breakfast clubs, is NOT even going to the state education sector but is going to be used to fund housing! Total outrage!

We have all been lied to with increasingly less resources per child to the state sector having to absorb all the private kids! If you think the VAT doesn’t affect you, you are kidding yourself when the education sector has suddenly got less money as a whole! It affects everyone

Whatabout Greece are not facts

Pay the VAT or go state

Yes, I misread your post, it now makes a little bit more sense..

But as you say, it doesn't affect you.

Either you are arguing in bad faith or your text comprehension skills are abismally poor.
I have said countless times that my kids have never gone private. Stop wasting my time, comrade. Admit that you have no basis to believe the policy will bring in more revenue. Admit that it's just about envy not fairness.

How dare you present facts and evidence in a discussion driven by ideology, hatred and envy? They'll burn you at the stake